No, and are highly unlikely to do so.

It’s you thats The fraud. Not us. You can’t offer any evidence then when you are called out on it, ask us to provide evidence for the opposite of what you say. Lmao

Quote Steph Curry="Steph Curry"It’s you thats The fraud. Not us. You can’t offer any evidence then when you are called out on it, ask us to provide evidence for the opposite of what you say. Lmao'" I gave you the evidence of McManus's article on the issue of overseas clubs - now try this https://www.totalrl.com/adam-pearson-ou ... -invasion/ So again I come up with actual evidence. Once again, the Superleague bosses are not going to sell out and destroy the game here, which is kept alive only by a paying English TV deal. The articles from McManus and Pearson made it clear (not that you can understand this stuff) that Superleague and SKY will not be relegating English clubs out of Superleague for phoney clubs abroad, not even Toulouse and with Supeleague set to go down to 10 clubs there'll be no place for Les Catalans and their English X111. These articles from McManus and Pearson were written on behalf of Superleague and were enough to see both Ottawa and New York pack in any idea of starting up. They will simply not be admitted to a post 2021 Superleague of ten clubs who all need to be English (a) to satisfy SKY and (b) to have enough academies to produce players. The American dream is in it's death throes and France are likely to go the same way. Now you show me proof the Transatlantic League is the way it will go?

Quote Steph Curry="Steph Curry"It’s you thats The fraud. Not us. You can’t offer any evidence then when you are called out on it, ask us to provide evidence for the opposite of what you say. Lmao'" I gave you the evidence of McManus's article on the issue of overseas clubs - now try this https://www.totalrl.com/adam-pearson-ou ... -invasion/ So again I come up with actual evidence. Once again, the Superleague bosses are not going to sell out and destroy the game here, which is kept alive only by a paying English TV deal. The articles from McManus and Pearson made it clear (not that you can understand this stuff) that Superleague and SKY will not be relegating English clubs out of Superleague for phoney clubs abroad, not even Toulouse and with Supeleague set to go down to 10 clubs there'll be no place for Les Catalans and their English X111. These articles from McManus and Pearson were written on behalf of Superleague and were enough to see both Ottawa and New York pack in any idea of starting up. They will simply not be admitted to a post 2021 Superleague of ten clubs who all need to be English (a) to satisfy SKY and (b) to have enough academies to produce players. The American dream is in it's death throes and France are likely to go the same way. Now you show me proof the Transatlantic League is the way it will go?

Quote Donnyman="Donnyman"I gave you the evidence of McManus's article on the issue of overseas clubs - now try this https://www.totalrl.com/adam-pearson-ou ... -invasion/ So again I come up with actual evidence. Once again, the Superleague bosses are not going to sell out and destroy the game here, which is kept alive only by a paying English TV deal. The articles from McManus and Pearson made it clear (not that you can understand this stuff) that Superleague and SKY will not be relegating English clubs out of Superleague for phoney clubs abroad, not even Toulouse and with Supeleague set to go down to 10 clubs there'll be no place for Les Catalans and their English X111. These articles from McManus and Pearson were written on behalf of Superleague and were enough to see both Ottawa and New York pack in any idea of starting up. They will simply not be admitted to a post 2021 Superleague of ten clubs who all need to be English (a) to satisfy SKY and (b) to have enough academies to produce players. The American dream is in it's death throes and France are likely to go the same way. Now you show me proof the Transatlantic League is the way it will go?'" You ask Steph Curry and me for evidence of our claims. So how about you providing evidence for your wild allegation that Super League is set to go down to ten clubs. Of course with the arrival of Toronto this year and possibly Toulouse next year, to be followed later by New York and Ottawa, perhaps with super stars like Latrell Mitchell on their roster (Latrell has only signed with South Sydney for a maximum of two years), there will be an argument for Super League expanding to 14 clubs.

Quote Donnyman="Donnyman"I gave you the evidence of McManus's article on the issue of overseas clubs - now try this https://www.totalrl.com/adam-pearson-ou ... -invasion/ So again I come up with actual evidence. Once again, the Superleague bosses are not going to sell out and destroy the game here, which is kept alive only by a paying English TV deal. The articles from McManus and Pearson made it clear (not that you can understand this stuff) that Superleague and SKY will not be relegating English clubs out of Superleague for phoney clubs abroad, not even Toulouse and with Supeleague set to go down to 10 clubs there'll be no place for Les Catalans and their English X111. These articles from McManus and Pearson were written on behalf of Superleague and were enough to see both Ottawa and New York pack in any idea of starting up. They will simply not be admitted to a post 2021 Superleague of ten clubs who all need to be English (a) to satisfy SKY and (b) to have enough academies to produce players. The American dream is in it's death throes and France are likely to go the same way. Now you show me proof the Transatlantic League is the way it will go?'" You ask Steph Curry and me for evidence of our claims. So how about you providing evidence for your wild allegation that Super League is set to go down to ten clubs. Of course with the arrival of Toronto this year and possibly Toulouse next year, to be followed later by New York and Ottawa, perhaps with super stars like Latrell Mitchell on their roster (Latrell has only signed with South Sydney for a maximum of two years), there will be an argument for Super League expanding to 14 clubs.

Quote JEAN CAPDOUZE="JEAN CAPDOUZE"More absurdities from Parksider. You ask Steph Curry and me for evidence of our claims. So how about you providing evidence for your wild allegation that Super League is set to go down to ten clubs. Of course with the arrival of Toronto this year and possibly Toulouse next year, to be followed later by New York and Ottawa, perhaps with super stars like Latrell Mitchell on their roster (Latrell has only signed with South Sydney for a maximum of two years), there will be an argument for Super League expanding to 14 clubs.'" Here is the first article on the attempt to have a 10 club Superleague and a ten club feeder league underneath it https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/5610037/ ... tier-plan/ The plan would have brought 20 clubs under Superleague control, and cut adrift 17 clubs who would have remained under the RFL's control. Given Superleague don't want to be an international league for the very good reason that SKY who want an English league for English subs meant that there would be no room for overseas clubs. In short SL tried to break away from the RFL and leave the RFL with TWP, Catalans, TO, New York, Ottawa, Belgrade, Vancouver, Jacksonville, Boston, Montreal, Hemel Hempstead, Coventry, Hunslet, West Wales etc etc etc. The vote went against the Superleague, but Superleague still intend to re-visit 10 clubs at the next contract when they agree a new deal with SKY, and when they won't be bound by any current agreement with the RFL. There is no argument for 14 clubs because the quality player pool has been reducing. SL was 14 clubs when the game thought expansion to Wales and France would bring in dozens of new quality players. It didn't, and so they dropped to 12 clubs in 2015 and that was when they first considered going to 10 clubs. Given the player pool is still limited due to Catalans failure to develop many French lads and the total failure of TWP to even start development (and no TV deals from theses places) the SL clubs are likely to go to 10 English clubs 2022 for the following reasons. 1. Not enough quality players for 12 clubs - SKY needs quality matches week on week. 2. The SKY deal WILL be lower so to keep their share of the money up, again SL clubs want to cut to 10 clubs 3. Overseas clubs cannot get TV contracts nor develop many quality players....WHY SHOULD ENGLISH CLUBS SHARE THEIR TV MONEY AND PLAYERS?????. You and Steph are ignorant of the facts and the events as they have played out, and I do not mean that as an insult. I don't expect fans to follow in depth the politics of the game, but I do expect them to not question or insult me when I present them to you.

Quote JEAN CAPDOUZE="JEAN CAPDOUZE"More absurdities from Parksider. You ask Steph Curry and me for evidence of our claims. So how about you providing evidence for your wild allegation that Super League is set to go down to ten clubs. Of course with the arrival of Toronto this year and possibly Toulouse next year, to be followed later by New York and Ottawa, perhaps with super stars like Latrell Mitchell on their roster (Latrell has only signed with South Sydney for a maximum of two years), there will be an argument for Super League expanding to 14 clubs.'" Here is the first article on the attempt to have a 10 club Superleague and a ten club feeder league underneath it https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/5610037/ ... tier-plan/ The plan would have brought 20 clubs under Superleague control, and cut adrift 17 clubs who would have remained under the RFL's control. Given Superleague don't want to be an international league for the very good reason that SKY who want an English league for English subs meant that there would be no room for overseas clubs. In short SL tried to break away from the RFL and leave the RFL with TWP, Catalans, TO, New York, Ottawa, Belgrade, Vancouver, Jacksonville, Boston, Montreal, Hemel Hempstead, Coventry, Hunslet, West Wales etc etc etc. The vote went against the Superleague, but Superleague still intend to re-visit 10 clubs at the next contract when they agree a new deal with SKY, and when they won't be bound by any current agreement with the RFL. There is no argument for 14 clubs because the quality player pool has been reducing. SL was 14 clubs when the game thought expansion to Wales and France would bring in dozens of new quality players. It didn't, and so they dropped to 12 clubs in 2015 and that was when they first considered going to 10 clubs. Given the player pool is still limited due to Catalans failure to develop many French lads and the total failure of TWP to even start development (and no TV deals from theses places) the SL clubs are likely to go to 10 English clubs 2022 for the following reasons. 1. Not enough quality players for 12 clubs - SKY needs quality matches week on week. 2. The SKY deal WILL be lower so to keep their share of the money up, again SL clubs want to cut to 10 clubs 3. Overseas clubs cannot get TV contracts nor develop many quality players....WHY SHOULD ENGLISH CLUBS SHARE THEIR TV MONEY AND PLAYERS?????. You and Steph are ignorant of the facts and the events as they have played out, and I do not mean that as an insult. I don't expect fans to follow in depth the politics of the game, but I do expect them to not question or insult me when I present them to you.

If Latrell Mitchell and other stars will be available for Superleague 2022 don't you get it that the English SL clubs will close ranks and make sure only one of their English club chairmen will sign him like Caddick, Moran, Davey etc. How naive are you to believe in 2022 Superleague will allow the best Aussies to go play in France, Canada, USA, Serbia for half their time.

THINK ABOUT IT MAN Both the English clubs and the EnglishSKY Sports will 100% want the best players playing in England every week.

You and Steph are also very Naive, and again not meant as an insult. Please try to accept these realities.

Quote Donnyman="Donnyman"Here is the first article on the attempt to have a 10 club Superleague and a ten club feeder league underneath it https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/5610037/ ... tier-plan/ The plan would have brought 20 clubs under Superleague control, and cut adrift 17 clubs who would have remained under the RFL's control. Given Superleague don't want to be an international league for the very good reason that SKY who want an English league for English subs meant that there would be no room for overseas clubs. In short SL tried to break away from the RFL and leave the RFL with TWP, Catalans, TO, New York, Ottawa, Belgrade, Vancouver, Jacksonville, Boston, Montreal, Hemel Hempstead, Coventry, Hunslet, West Wales etc etc etc. The vote went against the Superleague, but Superleague still intend to re-visit 10 clubs at the next contract when they agree a new deal with SKY, and when they won't be bound by any current agreement with the RFL. There is no argument for 14 clubs because the quality player pool has been reducing. SL was 14 clubs when the game thought expansion to Wales and France would bring in dozens of new quality players. It didn't, and so they dropped to 12 clubs in 2015 and that was when they first considered going to 10 clubs. Given the player pool is still limited due to Catalans failure to develop many French lads and the total failure of TWP to even start development (and no TV deals from theses places) the SL clubs are likely to go to 10 English clubs 2022 for the following reasons. 1. Not enough quality players for 12 clubs - SKY needs quality matches week on week. 2. The SKY deal WILL be lower so to keep their share of the money up, again SL clubs want to cut to 10 clubs 3. Overseas clubs cannot get TV contracts nor develop many quality players....WHY SHOULD ENGLISH CLUBS SHARE THEIR TV MONEY AND PLAYERS?????. You and Steph are ignorant of the facts and the events as they have played out, and I do not mean that as an insult. I don't expect fans to follow in depth the politics of the game, but I do expect them to not question or insult me when I present them to you.'" The article you linked to said nothing about excluding overseas clubs, in fact it included Catalans, Toulouse, Toronto and New York. You’ve said several times on several threads SL don’t want overseas clubs, can you link to anything or provide any evidence for that claim?

Quote Donnyman="Donnyman"Here is the first article on the attempt to have a 10 club Superleague and a ten club feeder league underneath it https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/5610037/ ... tier-plan/ The plan would have brought 20 clubs under Superleague control, and cut adrift 17 clubs who would have remained under the RFL's control. Given Superleague don't want to be an international league for the very good reason that SKY who want an English league for English subs meant that there would be no room for overseas clubs. In short SL tried to break away from the RFL and leave the RFL with TWP, Catalans, TO, New York, Ottawa, Belgrade, Vancouver, Jacksonville, Boston, Montreal, Hemel Hempstead, Coventry, Hunslet, West Wales etc etc etc. The vote went against the Superleague, but Superleague still intend to re-visit 10 clubs at the next contract when they agree a new deal with SKY, and when they won't be bound by any current agreement with the RFL. There is no argument for 14 clubs because the quality player pool has been reducing. SL was 14 clubs when the game thought expansion to Wales and France would bring in dozens of new quality players. It didn't, and so they dropped to 12 clubs in 2015 and that was when they first considered going to 10 clubs. Given the player pool is still limited due to Catalans failure to develop many French lads and the total failure of TWP to even start development (and no TV deals from theses places) the SL clubs are likely to go to 10 English clubs 2022 for the following reasons. 1. Not enough quality players for 12 clubs - SKY needs quality matches week on week. 2. The SKY deal WILL be lower so to keep their share of the money up, again SL clubs want to cut to 10 clubs 3. Overseas clubs cannot get TV contracts nor develop many quality players....WHY SHOULD ENGLISH CLUBS SHARE THEIR TV MONEY AND PLAYERS?????. You and Steph are ignorant of the facts and the events as they have played out, and I do not mean that as an insult. I don't expect fans to follow in depth the politics of the game, but I do expect them to not question or insult me when I present them to you.'" The article you linked to said nothing about excluding overseas clubs, in fact it included Catalans, Toulouse, Toronto and New York. You’ve said several times on several threads SL don’t want overseas clubs, can you link to anything or provide any evidence for that claim?

To be fair to Donny, he has quoted articles that the RL printed but in some cases did not replicate on-line.
Here's an article that highlights the "concerns" some SL decision makers have regarding overseas based clubs
[urlhttps://www.totalrl.com/adam-pearson-outlines-super-leagues-concerns-on-overseas-invasion/[/url

Here's the stance of the RFL as of Jan 13th
[urlhttps://www.totalrl.com/england-coaching-situation-and-north-america-expansion-bids-set-for-resolution/[/url


So it looks like Ottawa and NYC will be facing further delays whilst RSB won't be joining in the near future......

Yes I can and I have done this already. The problem here (not having a go at you) is people talk off the top of their head then somehow demand "evidence" from others.

The first relevant article was some years back when Toulouse asked SL to consider them for Superleague. Four SL chairmen went to see them led by Lenegan who supported the idea, but they were clear that Toulouse needed to provide [ievidence of the development of French players capable of playing at Superleague level, a viable financial plan and a paying French television deal [/i. When Toronto came along Perez did an interview with Dave Woods Wood (it's on you tube) and offered the business plan required 1. (Argylles heavy backing) 2. the development of grid iron players into SL quality players "pretty quickly" and 3. the capture of a paying NATV deal. The qualifications needed to enter Superleague were very clear. please look this up and watch it)

Once the championship play off started this year McManus came out in an Article in the RL press entitled "SL needs the French" which basically argued TWP could not be allowed in Superleague unless they started to "produce players". He stated France had a player infrastructure and that they could possibly get a TV deal if both Catalans and TO were in Superleague. You have to note this article merely favoured Toulouse over Toronto, at a time when the winner of the Championship would go up regardless of what SL bosses wanted and needed due to a signed agreement from some years back. Had Leigh won it there would have been no problem.

But what SL bosses most definitely needed was at least [i"9 English clubs in Superleague"[/i which was a minimum requirement of the SKY contract which I think appeared in an earlier Adam Pearson interview. A later Pearson interview after TWP were promoted opined that the [i"issue of expansion needed looking at".[/i

Running alongside this narrative of the problems SL clubs had with overseas clubs (no TV deals and no player development apart from some development at Catalans) was Superleague's proposal last year to cut to 10 clubs in Superleague. This was very big news and serious stuff that went to a vote championship clubs scuppered.

Now it doesn't take a genius to work out who Superleague want in Superleague does it? Wigan (Lenegan) Saints (McManus) Warrington (Moran) Castleford (Fulton) Wakefield (Carter) HKR (Hudgell) Leeds (Caddick) Hull (Pearson) Huddersfield (Davey) Leigh (Beaumont).......

My question of you now is how do you fit "expansion" into a new SKY deal Superleague, that by Superleagues own published plans is likely to be a 10 club all-English league. How do you do this when the first club knocking on the door to join in later will be a Nigel Wood and Eric Perez led Bradford Bulls? The above is the basic story of "expansion" in which I can only conclude.....

1. Failed to provide overseas paying TV deals of any kind
2. Failed to provide a significant number of French/NA professionals apart from Catalans who could field a decent French 7 a side team after 14 years??

What's your view on this, I'd be interested in a non Jean/Steph style "Transatlantic league is Le future" soundbite??

Why is it the individual clubs responsibility to find a Tv deal? It's like the chicken before the egg scenario. Why can't they follow the Nrl model where the broadcaster pays for the sport regardless of what teams are in the league? Then if Sky want a certain team in the league, they can pay more $ in the broadcast deal.

Has a representative from Sky ever publicly stated that they would more English teams or is it just wild speculation on our behalf?

The answer to the first part of your post, this is what Toronto said that they would do and IIRC, this is why they dont want/take a slice of the Sky deal.
A one club TV deal in a country not renowned for having any RL following is indeed a strange situation.
However, joined up, progressive thinking something that could ever be part of RL, a sport where finger crossing and straw clutching is the norm.
You can imagine all of the big noises in RL HQ sitting behind the proverbial goose, just waiting (and waiting) for the golden egg to arrive, some of them even think that it's called Toronto

I don't think they have a countries worth of players at all. The french game is a heck of a lot smaller than the English game and it's been deteriorating fast. Catalans have had 14 years to build up a conveyor belt of talent. Check my post on Catalans 2006/7 in terms of their French players then against their current squad. Their first team is now nearly all non-french.

Wikipedia roughly reckons that the English game is six times bigger than the French game. Had Toulouse gone up they would undoubtedly have turned to England and Australia for a better team. French RL is deteriorating to the point where the likes of Catalans and Toulouses futures lie in digging heavily into the M62 player pool here even more than they do now, and grabbing surplus Australian talent before it can land in England. That's the reality of the situation.