Wait for the chanting on the terraces.

"We are Bradford and we do what we want"

If the RFL do the right thing, there won't be ANY Bulls fans coming to BV this year!

You shouldn't be anywhere near SL.

Bradford got six points and [uOFFERED[/u to take half of central funds for two years. It wasn't forced - it was offered by your then Chairman.

Let's just hope that they don't [uOFFER[/u the other half this time.

You do realise your going to be accused of being small minded?

Fair minded is the term you are looking for.

I'm happy to pay the lost ticket money for you not to attend, it would indeed be my pleasure.

I see that the West Yorkshire folk have descended into in fighting.


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In the normal world, I can't see the argument for kicking the Bulls out on any level. It makes no sense. Points deduction sure, but kicking them out????

Whilst we are at it can we kick Wigan out for a laugh. No reason required, as it seems to just be fashionable to want to kick any old club out at the moment.

Whilst we are at it can we slap a points deduction on Catalan for being too far away.


I'm all for points deductions, but it must be within the rules. I think a lot of this is in fighting as there are too many West Yorkshire clubs to divide into 12 SL clubs.

If that 4 - 6 points ends up relegating Bradford then so be it, but at least it's in the rules.

I don't understand why some fans think we should thrown out. I still don't know any sporting organisations who have thrown a team out for going into admin. Points deduction and let's move on.

In reply to the posters about our rent, I think it has always been extremely cheap, we just look after running costs.

The rent can be cheap, and it can be a good rate of return for the RFL.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

If the RFL got the lease at a knock down price, then they do not need to collect exorbitant rent to get a good rate of return.

Personally I would have preferred repayment in 10 years, but 15 is not terrible. The question is would they get more money from sticking it in the bank.

£1.2 million invested just at 2% would take 27 years to recover at £75,000 per year. At that level it does not look as good an investment in terms of just pure money.

I use 2% as my example because £1.2 million invested at 3% with compound interest would never be beaten.

So as a money investment alone, it's not a good rate of return for the RFL. Given that it stabilized the Bulls enough to keep them bobbling along, then it may have other financial benefits, through keeping other partners on board.

If they had let the Bulls fold and the lease was part of the assets, then anyone could have bought the lease. The Bulls could have had no home and dirt bike racing could now well be on the way at Odsal, with no guarantee that the reformed Bulls would be allowed to play at either Odsal or VP.

The RFL would have been down one team for 3 years and sponsors may have been less likely to invest in a league with teams disappearing left right and centre.

In the end it is probably a good deal for the RFL, but in terms of the lease alone, it's not a financial wonder. It's more a breakeven policy at best with the hope the Bulls may one day buy it back at cost value, meaning the RFL just get profit off the rent paid.

You have never heard of Glasgow Rangers?? Demoted 2 divisions for their financial ineptitude.

Wakefield were told in no uncertain terms that admin would result in demotion.

Why is it different for the Bulls?

I don't know the full details regarding that but Hearts also went into admin and were only deducted points.

I've no idea why Wakwfield were told they would be relegated if they went into admin and it is wrong if they were told that.

Deduct the appropriate amount of points depending on creditors been paid and let's move on.

The precedent has been set and we have to have consistency!

If Wakey faced relegation, so should Bulls and anyone else using admin as a way out of financial mismanagement.

Yeah, this "offer" of half the central funds, it seems that it was pretty much offered in the same way your valuables are offered to a mugger.

You do realise Wakefield also benefitted from the RFL not setting a precedent. They seem to always forget that they stayed in SL when they went into admin and also got a license after they PROMISED to make improvements on their stadium. Reducing capacity is not improving it.

Anyway as far as I am aware the rules on admin are 6 points deduction reduced depending on willingness to pay creditors.

Have you any articles or statements regarding the RFL saying Wakey been told they would be relegated if they went into admin as I don't remember seeing anything. Cheers!

The chairman of the club announced it himself at a fans forum.

I would think a 6 point penalty would be appropriate, but how does that stand with the precedent set?

There has to be consistency. And remember, the RFL leadership announced that, as a part of the whole game review, that penalties for financial mismanagement should by MORE punitive!

Fair enough. If there's nothing in the rules of kicking a team out though then it's not going to happen.

I don't do Chinese whispers and Chairmen will say anything to supporters (look at the Bulls) so the Chinese whispers do not set a so call precedent. The only Precedent set is the ones we have where clubs have been in Admin and they have always been points deductions. There is a difference also between admin and liquidation. I've checked the rules and there is nothing about administration that I can find. But interestingly the appendicies are missing??? www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/rules/o ... s/sectione

I don't do Chinese whispers and Chairmen will say anything to supporters (look at the Bulls) so the Chinese whispers do not set a so call precedent. The only Precedent set is the ones we have where clubs have been in Admin and they have always been points deductions. There is a difference also between admin and liquidation. I've checked the rules and there is nothing about administration that I can find. But interestingly the appendicies are missing??? www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/rules/o ... s/sectione

Don't the new company have to apply to take over the bulls licence? If this is the case then the application could be refused and the bulls relegated.

However the RFL appear to have propped them up until the eve of the new season to make any notion of demoting them out of the question.

Because apparently they have 'iconic status' (that means ramming bull mania down everyones throats and winning a few titles in the early 0's).

Apparently the game will be in oh such a terrible state if they weren't in super league, we just can't do without them.

Not a week goes by they aren't dragging rugby league into the new for all the wrong reasons.

GET RID.

There are no rules to say if a club enters admin they will be relegated. License rules aren't been applied this year and if they were then Wakey would be following us out with their stadium situation.

Still keep frothing at the mouth.

How many fans would turn up to watch the Bulls in the championship?

Can someone please point out the rule that states a team in administration should be demoted. Until you do, saying it does not make it so, no matter how much you want it.

Unfortunately unless we're relegated to the pennine leagues the childish "iconic" posts will still appear. I don't think any bulls fan (apart from one or two) has an issue with points deduction.

They should be deducted points, which will increase chance of relegation and thus being demoted.

People don't literally mean they should be kicked out, but they should be penalised (which will increase the chances of the above happening).

When people say things like ''get rid''. What they mean is, penalise them, and let nature take it's course in getting rid.

There isn't a precedent set by which a club entering Administration are demoted but there probably would be if Wakefield had gone into Administration last August.

I don't want the Bulls kicked out of SL but whomever it was at the RFL who informed Wakefield that they'd be demoted if they went into Administration ought to explain their actions.

The precedent set is as stated earlier, if you enter Administration you are subject to a 6pt deduction which can be reduced to 4pts depending on your payment of the former company's creditors.