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| Quote: GT "Not good if you're coming in by public transport, though. Which is the exact same problem we've now got at Salford.
Still, it's good to see the development happening, I hope it works out better for you than it has for us!'"
Fair point but it's on a main road and well served by buses and it is only 3 1/2 miles from the bus station as opposed to the 2 miles which is the case for BV.. Also the club has stated it will look at this issue and hopefully persuade Arriva to add extra busses on match day. You could walk it in less than an hour assuming you don't stop at too many of the many pubs on route
However in the modern era most fans arrive by car and in this respect NM will be a vast improvement. More winners and losers I'm afraid.
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| Quote: Anakin Skywalker "Indeed but remind me again what has been the constant and overwhelming reaction from the club (Cas) and their fans over such an idea?
It would take a climbdown of biblical proportions for it to happen.'"
Correct in more ways than one, very bitter pill to swallow.
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| Quote: Anakin Skywalker "It would take a climbdown of biblical proportions for it to happen.'"
It would - and we would have to sell the Wheldon Road ground for us to be able to pay the rent at Newmarket.
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| Quote: Tigerade "It would - and we would have to sell the Wheldon Road ground for us to be able to pay the rent at Newmarket.'"
This is one of those non facts that have gained some kind of credibility without any real evidence especially on a certain other forum.
As someone involved in NM as far as I'm aware no tenant costs have been set as yet. When they are they will be set by the Trust not the developer - it is not in the trusts interest to make them prohibitive or to gain financially from them. That is the genius of the Trust and the Community Stadium. Unlike at Salford??? as far as I'm aware the stadium will not be owned by Yorkcourt but will be owned and run by the trust. The developer is building the stadium as part of the deal to build the much bigger and lucrative Industrial/retail park from which they will get their profit. If anything I would expect Cas to pay less than Wakey though Wakey would get more benefits being the anchor tenant.
As for selling W/R - well you would, who would need two grounds when the new one gives you absolutely everything you need.
I doubt being at NM would cost much more than it costs to play at WR or BV overall and assuming there is a positive public response which doesn't seem to have been the case at Salford - Leigh I don't know much about - however unlike W/R and B/V the cost at N/M will be fixed making budgeting and cash flow easier.
At the end of the day N/M is no use to anyone empty.
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| All good points there Vasty - the only problem would be selling it to the fans (me included). NM is seen as Wakey - the enemy's territory - and it would be then seen as the way to a merger.
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| Quote: Tigerade "All good points there Vasty - the only problem would be selling it to the fans (me included). NM is seen as Wakey - the enemy's territory - and it would be then seen as the way to a merger.'" Does this mean that you are now agreeing with me with regard to Cas sticking out on stadia works?
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| Quote: Tigerade "All good points there Vasty - the only problem would be selling it to the fans (me included). NM is seen as Wakey - the enemy's territory - and it would be then seen as the way to a merger.'"
If I were Steve Ferres, I'd be devising a strategy to sell it to the fans right now, since flogging off the WC for a few million quid would allow Cas to move to NM debt free, with enough cash in the bank to build a very competitive side. Quite an atttractive proposition for any club I would've thought, let alone one that's faced with either funding a brand new stadium, or investing some millions into improving a very tired old facility.
I don't deny though that it would be a tough sell, and that windfall would soon run out if the spectators stayed away in large numbers, which many have indicated they would; how much of that is posturing and how much is true I can't say.
If (I daren't say 'when' yet) build work starts, I expect there'll be some interesting conversations in the board rooms of both clubs. Either way, it seems clear that this particular RL rollercoaster will continue to run for a while yet.
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| Quote: vastman "This is one of those non facts that have gained some kind of credibility without any real evidence especially on a certain other forum.
As someone involved in NM as far as I'm aware no tenant costs have been set as yet. When they are they will be set by the Trust not the developer - it is not in the trusts interest to make them prohibitive or to gain financially from them. That is the genius of the Trust and the Community Stadium. Unlike at Salford??? as far as I'm aware the stadium will not be owned by Yorkcourt but will be owned and run by the trust. The developer is building the stadium as part of the deal to build the much bigger and lucrative Industrial/retail park from which they will get their profit. If anything I would expect Cas to pay less than Wakey though Wakey would get more benefits being the anchor tenant.
As for selling W/R - well you would, who would need two grounds when the new one gives you absolutely everything you need.
I doubt being at NM would cost much more than it costs to play at WR or BV overall and assuming there is a positive public response which doesn't seem to have been the case at Salford - Leigh I don't know much about - however unlike W/R and B/V the cost at N/M will be fixed making budgeting and cash flow easier.
At the end of the day N/M is no use to anyone empty.'"
What about ongoing maintenance costs and stadium costs? Surely the Trust has to make money to keep the ground in a fit state.............
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| Quote: bren2k "If I were Steve Ferres, I'd be devising a strategy to sell it to the fans right now, since flogging off the WC for a few million quid would allow Cas to move to NM debt free, with enough cash in the bank to build a very competitive side. Quite an atttractive proposition for any club I would've thought, let alone one that's faced with either funding a brand new stadium, or investing some millions into improving a very tired old facility.
I don't deny though that it would be a tough sell, and that windfall would soon run out if the spectators stayed away in large numbers, which many have indicated they would; how much of that is posturing and how much is true I can't say.
If (I daren't say 'when' yet) build work starts, I expect there'll be some interesting conversations in the board rooms of both clubs. Either way, it seems clear that this particular RL rollercoaster will continue to run for a while yet.'"
As a Cas lad, I'm sure SF is wise enough that Newmarket would never work for a number of reasons. Why pay rent for one when you own your own? Why pay rent and reduce income streams, potentially? And why move out of the area where you know the majority of fans won't go?
I'm betting if a pot was set up for a WR redevelopment tomorrow, a lot more Cas fans would put their hands in their pocket to do that if they could visually see the improvements being done.
Fortunately, there are a lot more pressing matters in SL at the moment financially and economically. The RFL know what is happening down at Cas with the stadium and once we finally get some sort of answer re: the supermarket, we can then press forward one way or another. Until that, we're in a bit of a tight spot as we have no cash to redevelop WR and could well be relying on grants, other developers in the area etc. Or we could get the supermarket on board and GH could be full steam ahead. Until we know about GH, though, we can't do much.
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| Quote: Fully "As a Cas lad, I'm sure SF is wise enough that Newmarket would never work for a number of reasons. Why pay rent for one when you own your own? Why pay rent and reduce income streams, potentially? And why move out of the area where you know the majority of fans won't go?
I'm betting if a pot was set up for a WR redevelopment tomorrow, a lot more Cas fans would put their hands in their pocket to do that if they could visually see the improvements being done.
Fortunately, there are a lot more pressing matters in SL at the moment financially and economically. The RFL know what is happening down at Cas with the stadium and once we finally get some sort of answer re
The problem is one of time, Fully.
Although many aspects of your own new stadium are not in Castlefords controll, at some point, the RFL will lose patience with the lack of action. Indeed, both Wakefield and Cas were warned at the last round of licensing, that promises of a ground would not be accepted as progress.
The one mitigating factor is the help that a certain other club was given, coupled with the perilous state of the game.
However, as I have said previously, IMO we will see a reduction in SL numbers in 2015 and as was the case for 2012, the clubs at the lower end of the league will be most vunerable, again !
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| I think licensing will end too.
I think those at the top, i.e. Wire, Wigan, and Leeds couldn't give a damn whether it is licensing or promotion and relegation.
The worry is where clubs like ours will vote. Fans want P+R back but licensing arguably stabilises club and allows them to prepare long term. But similarly, it doesn't help when you have debacles like Bradford and clubs like Cas/Wakey are under threat for a reason beyond their control, hampering plans for the seasons ahead.
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| Quote: Fully "I think licensing will end too.
I think those at the top, i.e. Wire, Wigan, and Leeds couldn't give a damn whether it is licensing or promotion and relegation.
The worry is where clubs like ours will vote. Fans want P+R back but licensing arguably stabilises club and allows them to prepare long term. But similarly, it doesn't help when you have debacles like Bradford and clubs like Cas/Wakey are under threat for a reason beyond their control, hampering plans for the seasons ahead.'"
Totally agree with you and the problem with P/R is that there will still be protected clubs and perhaps, with the recent events at Odsal have shown, there may be more of these "protected" clubs that we know about.
Moving swiftly back to the thread, where are Cas up to with the sale of WR ?
Are Tesco's ? any closer to signing on the dotted line or, are you hoping for a different buyer ?
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| That's where we are at.
We're still waiting for the supermarket to get back to us but with the economic climate and plenty of shuffling going around, we're still waiting for decision back on the matter.
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| tesco don't want wr. they have their eye on another piece of land more suitable.
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