They represent their constituents. Not us.

this is brilliant. Warren Mitchell would be proud.

It's not spite. Its not revenge or punishment. It's self-interest.

The EU don't want all those lovely insurance and finance and banking jobs to move to frankfurt and Paris because they are vindictive. They want the money.

The EU will want to take as much as they can from us in negotiations. That's kind of how negotiations work. Give as little as you can and get as much as you can.

Up the Hammers

And there we go, no answer to any of the points raised - just in true Guardian style a sneering attempt to brand someone with a slur. Smokey you just don't get it, nobody thinks you're as important or clever as you do, you're just another loser with a Polytechnic degree spouting the same crap.

Anyway's Warren Mitchell was the actor you utter dullard and was a life long Socialist and as a matter of interest a lapsed Jew. Alf Garnett was the character your so desperately tryng to reconcile me with. Warren Mitchell along with Johnny Speight created the character to highlight the stupidity of some of views of the time - Alf was an anti hero. Funny thing is if Johnny Speight were around now I reckon he would be writing a sitcom about simpering Liberals who are far more anti democratic than Alf ever was - don't recall Alf ever demanding a democratic vote be overturned because he didn't like the outcome - you peole are comedy gold you just don't know it.

It would be funny if it wern't so sad that someone who sets himself up as Liberal inteligencia is so monumentaly stupid he can't even get his insults right - that Smokey is a special talent which you posess in spades (ooh ooh outrage mode, he said spades)

Bet you can't eat a bacon sandwhich in public either.

Negotiation, you don't know the meaning of the word - brass neck that's you.

Yes, protectionism they call it right? So we vote to leave for that reason, we are little Englanders but ok in a wider context?




Yes, so say they want to be completely (i'll use vindictive) ruthless for the best deal for them, which would mean condeming a whole nation of 65 million people, the 3rd largest population in the EU, that would still make them pyschopaths.

"We get more money but hey fk those people"

Again, capitalism has no room for sentiment i'm aware of that, but that doesn't make it right.

I'm not sure what your point is here. That the EU was trying to do the best for its members?


But they aren't saying f@ck those people, they aren't doing any of this. Sadly we are. There is an option for us to move forward in a collegiate manner, for us and the EU to make agreements for the best of everyone. WE have chosen not to be part of that. We have chosen to go it alone and in competition with rather than as a part of the EU. It's crazy to expect that the EU will help us on our way to their detriment

Like Greece you mean?

yes, their members like Greece

Terms being imposed on Greece were due to their largesse. If they wanted bailed out financially then they needed to agree to some structural changes to make their economy sustainable.

It might be worth remembering that the UK economy after the Second World War with the Empire lost was in serious bother post Suez. By the beginning of the 1960s we wanted in to boost our trade. Our economy has grown and prospered within the EU since then. Lots of ups and downs but generally on the up. Outside of the EU we will need to build our own trade agreements with around 50 main countries. Yes of course people will trade with us why wouldn't they if we left, but I hardly think we'll be the ones in the strong position to dictate the terms. Also it's quite likely that terms proposed would be to deter others from taking the same route.

We will soon find out assuming Article 50 is ever enacted and with a deadline of 2 years it wouldn't take much for it to hit the rocks as all the other EU states need to approve it. A bit of phaffing around they could seriously harm it.

Mind you it was never a mandatory referendum and Parliament still needs to take a decision as we are a parliamentary democracy. Probably political suicide which ever way the next PM takes it.

Things are already much better than they were !
All those threats by the nasty "remain" camp, like having to set a new budget if growth slowed down, or inflation grew as a result of weak currency, both rubbished be the "leave" brigade and now we have a situation that we will still need to agree to the free movement of people, if we wish to have a trade deal with the EU.

Net result. We have lost our voice (however large or small it was) with in Europe, damaged the UK economy and we're still going to have to contribute to the EU if we want to trade.
Talk about shooting yourself in BOTH feet but, at least we will be a sovereign state (probably minus the Scots) and maybe even N. Ireland but, no matter.
At least Boris and Farage were honest through the campaign, although both are in denial about extra NHS spending (from the savings made on our contributions)

We have been sold a "pup" that will be peeing and crapping everywhere for quite some time.