Ultimately, yes.

It still has nothing to do with Bradford though.

Were the same Newcastle fans outraged at their previous sponsor tying thousands of people into years (even decades) of negative equity with 110% mortgages that, ultimately, saw them go bust and require a huge taxpayer subsidy?

I would guess that many of them did not really have grasp of the American mortgage industry when it was signed but they do know a dodgy British finance company when they see one.

Your top post is quite correct, the second one quite pathetic, The Bulls sponsor isnt perfect, not many successful companies are, unfortunatly ' Beggars cant be choosers ' and as a sport we are the former, hopefully the media attention they are recieving will result in a more honorable business attitude from them

Leeds fans should be protesting about their sponsorship by the Leeds Building Societyrefuse to help the needy and vulnerable, leaving them without financial products, unable to get a loan, whether until their next pay day, or to buy their kids christmas presents.

1 example out of 1.8m Starbug.

Do you consider them a worse company than the likes of Barclays, for lending to the people that Barclays won't?

The LBS are not alone in that, essentially all the mainstream lenders follow the same ' rules of engagement ' they are all to blame for the financial crisis we are currently embroiled in, and ultimatly just as borrowers were stupid to think that taking on anything more than a 90% mortgage was a good idea, the blame for the Bulls financial collapse was the fans , ditto any club in money troubles is down to the fan bases unrealistic expectations

They are equally culpable, 4 years ago I requested my lender to reduce my mortage borrowing by 100 K, from 33% of 400K to 10% of 300K , they refused , I then rquested to change my borrowing to interest only, again they refused, that lender was Barclays, their refusal on both counts was completely ilogical , and could if I hadnt found another lender resulted in defaulting my mortgage and losing my home , I have little respect for any Bank

As I said, few if any successful businesses are squeaky clean, life rarely works that way, and again the attention they have recieved from the media will hopefully improve how they operate in the future, and just for the record, I've been involved in the double glazing industry for 25 years , so am very familiar with dishonest salesman/companies and stupid customers, anybody thick enough to believe that if you buy one, you get one free should not be let out of their homes unacompanied , unfortunatley there are millions who want to believe bollox like that , just as there are millions of very vunerable desperate people who ignore the consequences of borrowing what the can not afford

So, we've established that you have no clue at all what a straw man is, OK, moving on . ..



Please, you're cracking me up. Oh Lord. I see. Your "argument" is that the successful Bulls were followed by C1/C2 and D punters. These, presumably, only like success. Then when these all "abandoned the club in droves", the club cunningly managed to replace 10.000 C1/C2 and D fans with 10,000 E fans. Who never came before, and are presumably too stupid, in your view, to care about the fare on the field, so long as it is cheap!

Did I miss anything?

Well, that is as funny a crackpot proposition as I can remember, so well done for that at least!


Are you really this stupid, or is it all just for effect?

A £60 loan @ 499% APR over 36 months would be £24.95 a month, not a tenner, and would costs £898.20, not £360.


And if they did, your problem with these businesses is what, exactly? Poundland, for example, is a profitable business with UK sales of around £650m which one survey said 99% of its customers would recommend. As I said, you're just a snob.

What a dumb, dumb statement. You cannot be for real. You MUST be a wind-up?

But if perchance you ARE being serious that is anyway strange, since I bought two season tickets when otherwise I would have bought one. And by most measures I would be in the A/B demographic (although the A-E demographic classification is IMO simplistic and often-insulting anyway).

And equally strange, I know quite a few other people in the A/B/C demographics who did similar. But heigh-ho.