That's Hull off the itinerary list.

Never seen two guys that are so unwelcoming and hypocritical at the same time. That's what fear does to you as KR are odds on to be in the relegation battle.

Hudgell is only speaking out against Toronto to deflect their own inability to sign players to replace their injured.

What a load of nonsense, keep kneeling in front of the TWP dream machine.

Not true at all, a host of SL bosses are saying exactly the same thing that TWP must play to the rules. HKR are members of Superleague, Hudgell often speaks on their behalf, and TWP are just guests and largely unwanted ones at that, who now want special treatment.

I'll kindly ask, which part do you believe is nonsense?

Started with the N and finished at the .

It doesn't sound like you can carry on a worthy discussion with that comment.

That's ok though, you can keep your head buried in the sand.

His comment was correct. Your comment was "[iHudgell is only speaking out against Toronto to deflect their own inability to sign players to replace their injured".[/i

Your just another TWP apologist. It was TWP who spent all their salary cap on 23 players and that is the issue. Tough, they have to abide by the rules.

Pearson said they had [i"mismanaged their finances"[/i. Another chairman said [i"TWP do not have a hope of special treatment"[/i, another chairman said the[i"rules are in place[/i" and [iTWP didn't abide by them[/i. Another said there was [i"no hope they would be given any favours"[/i. Another comment was "[iYou can't change the salary cap rules at various stages"[/i. Another chairman said it was "[iTWP that chose to overpay players"[/i. another chairman refusing special treatment said [i"We had to loan out players to get under the cap last year"[/i

So what you posted was the usual apologist rubbish for this useless made up club. As for Neil Hudgell whose club is out on the far side of Hull, he himself suffers from trying to persuade players to go play there as it's so far away from the conurbations of west Yorkshire and East Lancashire. He has to pay extra and he runs a real life club not a phoney Canadian club who could not get rid of homegrown players quick enough - now they are begging Quin Ngwati to come back and play for tuppence.

And that's the real issue, players here don't want to go play for North American clubs, but will go if they are overpaid by enough money. TWP have themselves no player development system and never will have that, and TWP have a bunch of mercenaries and we all know SBW is just that and he'll be happy to just be paraded round and sat on the bench.

It's you who has your head in the sand........

Not a ball kicked until tomorrow and the arguments over "expansion" blaze across the RL press.

One editor declares TWP make us a [i"major and expanding player on the world sports stage"[/i by bringing the world to our door......

Another editor asks "[iDoes SL want a presence in North America,[/i which is [i"doing a great service"[/i for Rugby League here.......

That poll of fans on Humberside seems to say those who buy into Rugby League (and probably the papers the RL press produce) do not want a Transatlantic League, but to be fair neither editor takes their comments beyond a basic "we are better off with TWP" stance. Having said that neither editor appears to have published much at all in terms of real analysis of this so called "expansion".

It would be interesting to read learned opinion pieces about how we accommodate New York, Ottawa and Toulouse into Superleague to take this expansion further? How do we stock these clubs with quality players when these clubs don't contribute to the player development system? Who from here has to Follow London into the wilderness to make way? How can clubs on the up like Newcastle and Bradford get into Superleague if we are following the american dream?

Then when we have "expansion" will relegated London, Wakefield, Castleford or whoever alongside Widnes, Bulls and Newcastle bother to develop players when they would be shipped off to North America, a destination we now find out players have to be "persuaded" to go to with over inflated salaries?? Why should kids bother playing RL if that means their own local club has to be part time, whilst a career is only really available 3,000 miles away??

Catalans in 2006 and TWP in 2017 may have sold a lot of extra Monday RL papers, but it puzzles me why despite all the problems these two clubs face and the likely apathy they will bring to 80% of fans here, the RL press still trumpet the American dream, whilst the perpetrator sits behind a desk at Odsal plotting Bulls return to Superleague with Nigel Wood??

I think you would do well to cut the "anti-TWP" thing. Is there not enough "pro TWP content" on other threads as well? Given Hull fans are 80% against a high level of criticism has to be expected AND REFLECTED - do you want to censor this?? You know..... 4 out of 5 fans don't want the american dream but the dreamers get an equal say??

Noble OR McDermott are there for the money and you know it. They get well paid to deflect genuine criticism.

As for costing the game nothing, had SL not been tied to the commitment to allow the Championship winner to enter SL even though they were only a guest club, then they would not have "cost us" the relegation of a real expansion club in London Broncos.

If Noble and Mac were directing their criticism at me I would tell them to "grow up" and remember when this is all over, they will want to be working back here with fans they appear (if your claim is correct) to deride as childish? They are there for the money as they can't get that money here, that's fair enough but don't insult fans who pay good money.

Quote: Donnyman "His comment was correct. Your comment was "[iHudgell is only speaking out against Toronto to deflect their own inability to sign players to replace their injured".[/i Your just another TWP apologist. It was TWP who spent all their salary cap on 23 players and that is the issue. Tough, they have to abide by the rules. Pearson said they had [i"mismanaged their finances"[/i. Another chairman said [i"TWP do not have a hope of special treatment"[/i, another chairman said the[i"rules are in place[/i" and [iTWP didn't abide by them[/i. Another said there was [i"no hope they would be given any favours"[/i. Another comment was "[iYou can't change the salary cap rules at various stages"[/i. Another chairman said it was "[iTWP that chose to overpay players"[/i. another chairman refusing special treatment said [i"We had to loan out players to get under the cap last year"[/i So what you posted was the usual apologist rubbish for this useless made up club. As for Neil Hudgell whose club is out on the far side of Hull, he himself suffers from trying to persuade players to go play there as it's so far away from the conurbations of west Yorkshire and East Lancashire. He has to pay extra and he runs a real life club not a phoney Canadian club who could not get rid of homegrown players quick enough - now they are begging Quin Ngwati to come back and play for tuppence. And that's the real issue, players here don't want to go play for North American clubs, but will go if they are overpaid by enough money. TWP have themselves no player development system and never will have that, and TWP have a bunch of mercenaries and we all know SBW is just that and he'll be happy to just be paraded round and sat on the bench. It's you who has your head in the sand........'" I am not a Toronto apologist, it is that I have an open mind and can see both the negatives and the positives. I am also correct about the Hull KR situation. Club reps, coaches etc, come out and try and find the biggest target they can, Toronto atm, to try and deflect their own issues like being a firm candidate to be relegated and unable to sign players to booster their squad. https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... up-3782269 You're being a Hull KR apologist now. Having to pay extras because of the reasons you suggested is laughable and I don't believe you could write that without laughing. They're 40kms from Leeds for instance and it's not a backwater. KR have to pay overs because they are consistently a bottom team. I'd suggest you take your rose tinted glasses off and calm the aggression.

Quote: Donnyman "His comment was correct. Your comment was "[iHudgell is only speaking out against Toronto to deflect their own inability to sign players to replace their injured".[/i Your just another TWP apologist. It was TWP who spent all their salary cap on 23 players and that is the issue. Tough, they have to abide by the rules. Pearson said they had [i"mismanaged their finances"[/i. Another chairman said [i"TWP do not have a hope of special treatment"[/i, another chairman said the[i"rules are in place[/i" and [iTWP didn't abide by them[/i. Another said there was [i"no hope they would be given any favours"[/i. Another comment was "[iYou can't change the salary cap rules at various stages"[/i. Another chairman said it was "[iTWP that chose to overpay players"[/i. another chairman refusing special treatment said [i"We had to loan out players to get under the cap last year"[/i So what you posted was the usual apologist rubbish for this useless made up club. As for Neil Hudgell whose club is out on the far side of Hull, he himself suffers from trying to persuade players to go play there as it's so far away from the conurbations of west Yorkshire and East Lancashire. He has to pay extra and he runs a real life club not a phoney Canadian club who could not get rid of homegrown players quick enough - now they are begging Quin Ngwati to come back and play for tuppence. And that's the real issue, players here don't want to go play for North American clubs, but will go if they are overpaid by enough money. TWP have themselves no player development system and never will have that, and TWP have a bunch of mercenaries and we all know SBW is just that and he'll be happy to just be paraded round and sat on the bench. It's you who has your head in the sand........'" I am not a Toronto apologist, it is that I have an open mind and can see both the negatives and the positives. I am also correct about the Hull KR situation. Club reps, coaches etc, come out and try and find the biggest target they can, Toronto atm, to try and deflect their own issues like being a firm candidate to be relegated and unable to sign players to booster their squad. https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... up-3782269 You're being a Hull KR apologist now. Having to pay extras because of the reasons you suggested is laughable and I don't believe you could write that without laughing. They're 40kms from Leeds for instance and it's not a backwater. KR have to pay overs because they are consistently a bottom team. I'd suggest you take your rose tinted glasses off and calm the aggression.

yup, 117 KM from Craven Park, it does make me roll my eyes how idiots with internet access cannot check facts.

You and I know the state of things, as, fortunately, do the majority.

Do south American football teams just jack it in and stop developing player because all the best ones and quite alot off not so good ones all end playing in Europe. No they don’t, and the likes of Cas Bradford Widnes won’t either. Your not telling me 18-23 years old English players would nit jump at the chance to go play in Toronto for 2-3 years. I would.

Of course they would but that doesn’t fit in with his narrative. It really makes me laugh that his sole argument is based on the fact that Toronto haven’t yet produced anyone of SL standard whilst neither have a lot of SL teams. Toronto could do what most SL teams do. Put an academy player in their team who is bang average and then claim because he’s playing in SL he’s SL quality. That is the exact reason the standard of SL is at an all time low. Because besides Wigan, Saints and Leeds no one else can produce quality SL players