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[quote="bUsTiNyAbALLs":9q9d2t35]Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.[/quote:9q9d2t35]
[quote="vastman":9q9d2t35]My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.[/quote:9q9d2t35]: |
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| Quote: Starbug "I commend you sir on your quick thinking
what do you think changed?
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Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Its prett much how the WC works (just with added P+R which apparently is integral to something or other)'"
Yes RL WC, nobody else's, theirs all work ' normal ' , equal groups then knock out
Ours
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[quote="bUsTiNyAbALLs":9q9d2t35]Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.[/quote:9q9d2t35]
[quote="vastman":9q9d2t35]My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.[/quote:9q9d2t35]: |
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| Quote: Starbug "It would suit Leeds, they could ' finish ' 12th and stil be crowned Champions
I think you will find it wasn’t me who refused to accept TV would pay for second tier RL. The whole of television made that decision, fortunately, under that plan, we wouldnt be selling 2nd tier RL.
Also, try doing the maths. We currently have £18m split between 16 shares which is £1.125m. The split as I suggested is would mean £11.25m going to SLA clubs (10x£1.125) and SLB funding would be £5.625m (£1.125m/2 = £565250*10) totalling £16.875. One share to the RFL for administration = £18m
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "I think you will find it wasn’t me who refused to accept TV would pay for second tier RL. The whole of television made that decision, fortunately, under that plan, we wouldnt be selling 2nd tier RL.
Also, try doing the maths. We currently have £18m split between 16 shares which is £1.125m. The split as I suggested is would mean £11.25m going to SLA clubs (10x£1.125) and SLB funding would be £5.625m (£1.125m/2
Yes it would
So F the rest of the Championships, they get nothing including all the expansion clubs , and all this ' presuming ' that SKY play ball, something you have refused to accept before
Okay dokay, if you say so
I'd send the plan to big Nige, it might keep him in a job
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[quote="bUsTiNyAbALLs":9q9d2t35]Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.[/quote:9q9d2t35]
[quote="vastman":9q9d2t35]My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.[/quote:9q9d2t35]: |
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| Quote: Starbug "Yes it would
So F the rest of the Championships, they get nothing including all the expansion clubs , and all this ' presuming ' that SKY play ball, something you have refused to accept before
Okay dokay, if you say so
I'd send the plan to big Nige, it might keep him in a job'"
Presuming Sky pay for SL what the currently pay for SL, yes. If they pay less, clubs get less, if they pay more clubs get more there is nothing any structure can do about that.
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| Quote: Bullseye "I'm not sure why Fax support the 3x8 unless they see it as the least worst option on the table. Realisticly no Championship club has a hope of promotion under the 3x8 system. It might see a few bigger gates for championship clubs but that's it.
If I were at a championship club I'd want straight P&R, 1 up 1 down.'"
I disagree, they probably have a better chance with the 3x8 system than they would with 1 up / 1 down.
With 1 up / 1 down, they have to finish top to get promoted. With the 3x8 system, they have to be in the top half of their league mid season when the they split, then in the top half at the end of the season.
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47035_1386433761.gif We can be bold enough to make a stand and do battle for our views and beliefs. But we must strive to be mature enough not to resort to unnecessary personal attacks upon people with opposing views.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_47035.gif |
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| The reason why I called it a childish tantrum, is because there were no idea's with the statements I've seen from IL. Just complaints.
If I wander into a meeting with a long list of complaints or worse still leaked it to an outsider. Then I would expect to be called childish.
If you want reform then you have to put up your own proposals.
I'd quite like to go with an NFL model myself, but that would mean clubs giving up control. But it does allow for almost unlimited expansion and it provides a clear cut route to get in the league.
We can talk about SL as a business, but that business is based on a sport and the wider the reach of that sport the more people will watch it and want to play it. Sealing off the league may in the short to medium term provide business stability within those clubs. But outside of that I feel the game shrinks it's influence.
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[quote:18jc6kzm]Mr bramleyrhino speaks a lot of sense.[/quote:18jc6kzm]
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| Quote: JB Down Under "Bromley I don't think its a case of companies not interested in our sports demographics, after all the Sun has plenty of adverts! RL fans buy mobile phone plans, drink alcohol, like a bet, buy cars, buy electric goods etc etc just as much as any other sports fans. '"
They're also the sort of people who don't support the international game, who think that £15 for a semi-final is some form of rip-off and who demand 'cheap tickets' to every event possible.
If people feel this way about one of their apparent "passions" in life, is it any wonder that major companies feel that they're better off talking to different audiences elsewhere?
If the sport wants to attract more and better sponsors, it simply has to start appealing to the people who those sponsors want to talk to. That means putting together a better proposition that people are willing to pay a premium for.
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| Do you really think they have a chance of managing that django?
I'd say that Fax etc have a better chance of finishing top of a Championship against other Championship sides on Championship budgets than finishing in the top half of an eight team comp competing alongside SL sides built with SL budgets.
In the end though it’s a pointless argument as I think that tinkering with the league structure won’t address the main issue which is a lack of money in the game.
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| Quote: William Eve "Where have I said that?
Nonsense,
Option 1: SL has a 90million pound 5 year deal. One option would be to reduce league to 12 teams and share that money between them, that would pretty much make all clubs full time sustainable
Option 2: reduce salary cap to 1.2 million pounds. That is enough to make a min wage of 30k pounds, more than enough to remain a FT player as a career option
Option 3: stop doing the same things the same way and increase income into the game at a club and code level
Option 4: bring in financial equalisation like some leagues have ie the rich clubs help pay for the poorer clubs through different grant levels, ticket price subsidy etc.
Plenty of options that will allow a full time top tier of RL in the UK to continue.
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| Quote: bewareshadows "The reason why I called it a childish tantrum, is because there were no idea's with the statements I've seen from IL. Just complaints.
If I wander into a meeting with a long list of complaints or worse still leaked it to an outsider. Then I would expect to be called childish.
If you want reform then you have to put up your own proposals.
I'd quite like to go with an NFL model myself, but that would mean clubs giving up control. But it does allow for almost unlimited expansion and it provides a clear cut route to get in the league.
We can talk about SL as a business, but that business is based on a sport and the wider the reach of that sport the more people will watch it and want to play it. Sealing off the league may in the short to medium term provide business stability within those clubs. But outside of that I feel the game shrinks it's influence.'"
100 percent sure you would't be saying the same if it was Mcmanus leading it. Seriously think that Leneghan would kick up a fuss with out thinking about it? the guy is 1 person who doesn't come up with rash decisions.
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| I do wonder if it grated on some clubs, getting measured, judged and graded by a organisation with certain perceived shortcomings of its own?
We've had the RFL telling the clubs their business for a few years, now it is the other way around. Neither is ideal, tbh.
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| Quote: Bullseye "Do you really think they have a chance of managing that django?
I'd say that Fax etc have a better chance of finishing top of a Championship against other Championship sides on Championship budgets than finishing in the top half of an eight team comp competing alongside SL sides built with SL budgets.
In the end though it’s a pointless argument as I think that tinkering with the league structure won’t address the main issue which is a lack of money in the game.'" I'm starting to wonder if it's a ploy to try and get SKY back around the table by the clubs.
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47035_1386433761.gif We can be bold enough to make a stand and do battle for our views and beliefs. But we must strive to be mature enough not to resort to unnecessary personal attacks upon people with opposing views.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_47035.gif |
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| Quote: dubairl "100 percent sure you would't be saying the same if it was Mcmanus leading it. Seriously think that Leneghan would kick up a fuss with out thinking about it? the guy is 1 person who doesn't come up with rash decisions.'"
As far as I am aware Big Mac is in on this, so the statement stands. If they want new people running the game fine, but at the moment it's just looking a bit like robin hood reversal, the rich wanting more and wanting to take what little is already offered to the rest.
If they come out with some ideas that will benefit the sport great, but it does seem to be a bit of a money grab. 3 games against the same teams each year with no change, just seems like stagnation to me, rather dull.
I understand minimum entry requirements I have no problem with that, but there has to be a greater emphasis on sporting contest. The constant drive about business stability makes us sound less appealing to the sports fan.
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