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| Quote: Richie "Which is what he did say, you just didn't understand.'"
Understood it completely, it was bollox
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| Quote: McClennan "We stopped playing unlimited tackles decades ago.'"
And why was that?
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| Quote: Starbug "
What he REALLY meant to say was, that Huddersfield could do with concentrating on completeing a couple of sets '"
So not trying to score then? You're contradicting yourself.
The fact is starbug you appear to have absolutley no understanding of the modern game of rugby league. There are alot of subtleties and intricacies to the game, it's not as simple as 'try and score every time we have the ball ''.
You have to earn the right and also pick your moments, balance risk with percentage plays. If you try and score all the time it will involve risky offloads and cut out passes outwide. If you don't earn the right to do this with good forward play and quick play the balls putting the defence on the back foot you can end up getting creamed in posession, losing ground, and if you are lucky enough not to knock on from all the kamikaze passing you are kicking from a crap position and the opposition fullback catches the kick on the full and returns the ball to the halfway line. By the time they finish the set they are in your red zone, prime position for a good attacking kick or a set move, where they then 'try to score'.
But then if you are down the field in your own half but theres a gap in the defence or you spot alot of space outwide teams will attack rather than drop it off to a forward, get me?
Do you think leeds are trying to score when jamie peacock takes a flat pass straight into the defence in his own 20 metres?
Watch australia in the world cup. They will relentlessly complete sets, get up the field, pen the opposition down in their own half and force repeat sets, points will follow. But if theres a lapse in defence anywhere on the field they will click into full attack mode and exploit it.
They won't try and score off every play they will build a game and attack when the opportunities are there.
Quite frankly, you are clueless.
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| Quote: Starbug "Stupid Leeds, scoring instead of building pressure, It'll cost them in the end
Mitch achurch miracle offload to mcguire in leeds half, mcguire can't take it, naturally (incredibly low percentage play with mcguire charging through and so much traffic). Wigan go 12-6 up from the resultant field position, a decisive swing in the game.
Maybe if leeds had been more patient and tryed to build pressure rather than trying miracle offloads in their own half, they could have stayed in the game longer?
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "So not trying to score then? You're contradicting yourself.
The fact is starbug you appear to have absolutley no understanding of the modern game of rugby league. There are alot of subtleties and intricacies to the game, it's not as simple as 'try and score every time we have the ball ''.
Quite frankly, you are clueless.'"
If you quote me, at least put in the whole quote, you missed out part of it that doesnt ' contradict '
I do understand the modern game, and yes there are subtleties and intricacies , there is also loads of bollox quoted by supposed 'experts , quite often trying to sound clever
So tell me, if you are losing, what IS your ' ' priority ' ?
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| Quote: Starbug "If you quote me, at least put in the whole quote, you missed out part of it that doesnt ' contradict '
I do understand the modern game, and yes there are subtleties and intricacies , there is also loads of bollox quoted by supposed 'experts , quite often trying to sound clever
So tell me, if you are losing, what IS your ' ' priority ' ?'"
depends how long is left, the defecit, where you are on the pitch, the pattern of the game
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "depends how long is left, the defecit, where you are on the pitch, the pattern of the game'"
See what I mean, complete bollox
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| Quote: Starbug "So tell me, if you are losing, what IS your ' ' priority ' ?'" To get in a position to score whilst minimising the chance of conceding any more?
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| Quote: MjM "To get in a position to score whilst minimising the chance of conceding any more?'"
Nope, try again
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| Quote: Starbug "See what I mean, complete bollox
Is it hell - If you are 6-0 down after 20 minutes, you have different priorities and play different plays than if you are 30-12 down with 15 minutes to play.
Its all about percentage play....If you are behind with 10 minutes to go then you take more risks in attack than you would if you were behind with 30 minutes to go...Of course, the name of the game is to score, but its like a boxing bout, with certain opponents you have to soften them up, apply pressure, before actually applying the finishing touch.
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| Quote: Dita's Slot Meter "Is it hell - If you are 6-0 down after 20 minutes, you have different priorities and play different plays than if you are 30-12 down with 15 minutes to play.
Its all about percentage play....If you are behind with 10 minutes to go then you take more risks in attack than you would if you were behind with 30 minutes to go...Of course, the name of the game is to score, but its like a boxing bout, with certain opponents you have to soften them up, apply pressure, before actually applying the finishing touch.'"
Different plays yes, priorities no, yes the name of the game is to score , dont do that and you lose
Boxing is a poor analogy, it isnt a structured sport like RL
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| Quote: Starbug "Teams kick for territory/field position when they have failed to make a break/find a gap in the opposition defence, but every set starts with an attempt to score, it really is that simple'"
No. Almost every set starts with 2 or 3 'settlers', drives normally taken in by forwards, or backs if it's following a deep downfield kick. This is almost always regardless of winning or losing, and will very, very rarely change.
If, by some miracle, a player manages to bust the line and break clear on a simple drive then yes you capitalise on the opportunity. But his brief from the coach is not "do everything to score on that drive". His goal is to make yards, suck in defenders and probably to achieve a specific position on the pitch for the move to follow. If a try somehow comes along, that's a bonus.
Every team also has 'break-out' or 'red' sets which are simple, ball-up-the-jumper sets out of their own 'red zone' with the aim of nothing more than getting to the kick and putting a good chase on. Yes, if a line-break occurs you make the most of it - but the goal and priority of that set is safety and territory, not scoring.
Having said that, you can't genuinely be this clueless, you're obviously trolling.
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| Quote: Cronus "No. Almost every set starts with 2 or 3 'settlers', drives normally taken in by forwards, or backs if it's following a deep downfield kick. This is almost always regardless of winning or losing, and will very, very rarely change.
If, by some miracle, a player manages to bust the line and break clear on a simple drive then yes you capitalise on the opportunity. But his brief from the coach is not "do everything to score on that drive". His goal is to make yards, suck in defenders and probably to achieve a specific position on the pitch for the move to follow. If a try somehow comes along, that's a bonus.
Every team also has 'break-out' or 'red' sets which are simple, ball-up-the-jumper sets out of their own 'red zone' with the aim of nothing more than getting to the kick and putting a good chase on. Yes, if a line-break occurs you make the most of it - but the goal and priority of that set is safety and territory, not scoring.
Having said that, you can't genuinely be this clueless, you're obviously trolling.'"
When Clarke made his comment Huddersfield were well out of their ' red zone ' , they were close to half way, and yes sometimes it seems that teams are following a set ' script ' , something I find very strange to tell the truth
However no matter what plays teams make, the ' Priority ' is to score, and every set starts with that intention, yes that might change by the last play and completion with the best territorial advantage will be what the team will settle for, but to suggest that a team losing by 2 scores in a low scoring match should lose scoring as the priority is just
Thats right, BOLLOX
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| Quote: Starbug "When Clarke made his comment Huddersfield were well out of their ' red zone ' , they were close to half way'"
I couldn't care less what Clarke said. I'm talking about your stupid assertions on game strategy in general.
Quote: Starbug "and yes sometimes it seems that teams are following a set ' script ' , something I find very strange to tell the truth'"
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