In the same way not stabbing yourself in the head is a small success. Im not sure we should be celebrating not quite being the worst.

It means you are responsible for the facilities you play in. If they arent good enough then they need to improve them. However they do that is up to Wakefield.

Except that isnt once. Its the moved once, and went bust once. The fact is that when they went bust, historic debts from the south wales effort were publicly stated to be the main reason. These debts are the reason they moved north and went bust. You are counting the same thing twice.



Im not saying that RL cannot work in Wakefield, but lets look at some facts. Even in their 3rd year of SL Wakefield were struggling with attendances around the 4k mark, they were full of mediocre overseas players, and struggling at the bottom of the table. In 2001 they had 5 sub 3k crowds and only one 5k+crowd and the finished 11th. IN 2002 they had only 4 crowds above 4k in the whole season and finished 11th. in 2003 they had only 2 crowds above 5k finishing 11th. here we are talking about Wakefield, a heartland club, with Leeds, Hudds, bradford, and Cas on their doorstep and we are talking about them 4/5/6 years in to SL and it took another 5/6 years for them to build to even this point.

You are trying to compare Wakefield after 12 years to Crusaders after 2.

in 2001 Wakefields 3rd year of SL rugby, they got 1 crowd above 5k. ONE
in 2010 Crusaders 2nd year of SL rugby they got 7 crowds above 5k and one above 10k

Im not arguing Wakefield should go down. Im arguing that A) wishing death on Crusaders because Wakefield have got themselves into a position where they are likely to be demoted is pathetic and B) That Crusaders arent doing too bad for only their 3rd year of SL

' Death Riding ' , now ' Wishing Death ' , FFS grow up will you , one of these days you'll realise that the Emporer is actually naked

How does the ignore button work?

Don't ignore him , it's funnier to actually read his garbage , just don't reply

I like his username - with the TA reference I imagine him to be like Tackleberry in Police Acadamy, except not so smart.

I assume it is reference to the film ' Smokey and the bandit ' with the star car being a Pontiac Trans Am

And one day you will realise that rantings are that of a pathetic and bitter old man who was so stuck this game, and the rest of the world, left him behind.

That is really tragic if that is the case!!!

Unless he is about 10 of course.


I used to like that car too. But then when I hit puberty the novelty sort of wore off a bit.

really its not. i find my VT experience to be much more pleasent now i have embraced the ignore setting.

It certainly does clear things up a bit doesn't it

I'm all for a bit of banter but some of the stuff you read on here is just wholly unnecessary in my opinion.

Anyway. I'm off to the pub!!

They may have been publicly stated as the reason by Moss and Roberts, but if you believe that then you are even more niaive than you appear on here.

In fact, the administrator's report into the business stated that slightly less than 50% of the total debt was accrued in South Wales, with the rest being run up in one season at Wrexham.

But that means, even by your calculations, that Crusaders were carrying about twice the amount of debt they would have had they gone bust and come out of administration as Crusaders in Wrexham. To say double the amount of debt wouldnt make a huge difference to Crusaders ability to operate when they moved is crazy.

The fact is, the move to Wrexham is counted as equivelant to Crusaders administration yet they received none of the benefits of going into administration. Benefits that if they had received would have made a fundamental difference to whether or not they would have gone into administration when in Wrexham. That is why it is unfair to count the same problems twice.

Hi Smokey, rather than going deeper and deeper into stuff, the original point was, and presumably still is, your assumption that it’s pathetic wanting a rival club to fail, to save your own.

I think your stance is very commendable, maybe if my club was as successful as yours, I too would probably have a similar viewpoint, however, you can pontificate all you want, if you were to ask a cross section of supporters whether they would happily see another club in the mire, to protect their own, the yes vote would be overwhelming.

I’ve never (in forty years) seen my club win anything of importance, whereas you have probable seen the lot, the feelings of elation you have felt, well, I can only dream. But the feelings of despair, both with on-field disappointments & winding up orders, you haven’t got a clue.

Well Its only a postulation IA but grossly unfair to highlight of one of the handful only of clubs never to go bust. Yes 100 years of paying debts, bringing through stars of the past and present, a club which has lived within its means, gaining respect on how well its affairs have been handled through the years - a club not without success but agreed it is some time ago. So - why deny them the opportunity to function in their spanking new stadium in an area with a drawing power of maybe 2 million Northerners. Keep postulating matey.

As a leeds Utd fan ive seen enough disappointment and winding up orders, and despair to last a lifetime. But i never wished to see another club go through what we have.