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| Quote: pyeman "It supported a multim illion pound tv deal, had 35 teams from 3 nations, had a nationaly televised cup competition with 95 teams from 4 nations and drew over a hundred thousand people in each week?
i would be impressed if that were true duck ![]()
You're doing the Challenge Cup a dis-service there; weren't there entrants from England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, France and Russia last year?
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when the score got to 50 we shouted for more, up popped brad davis went over for four.....
......and its no nay never no nay never no more will we face religation......
big barrie mac.' the cas forads av been bob on'
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[quote="vastman":3gx4tjo6]Westerman looks the most promising for a long time.[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
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| Quote: Leyther_Matt "You're doing the Challenge Cup a dis-service there; weren't there entrants from England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, France and Russia last year?'"
Thought it might be more but wasnt sure. |
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| Quote: dally messenger "so the key for expansion of current heartland clubs is cheaper public transport then?
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You are trolling dally.
You were trying to suggest that clubs in the late 19th century / early 20th century were remiss for not developing the game outside their immediate area.
This was an era when almost nobody owned a car and there was little public transport. Lots of people had never even seen the sea and yet they ought to have been walking huge distances to a town they had never been to watch a game they'd probably never heard of....
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| Quote: dally messenger "not that im a fan of it, look what AFL is doing in australia.
they are putting clubs in places nobody cares about the sport and backing it with lots of money.
they are prepared to back their sport 100%
RL is a far better product and many of you lot are just scared to try anywhere expansionary unless the club is as good as a heartland club'"
Look what the ARU did with the ARC.
That's why.
Rugby league is a minority sport in England. You cannot possibly compare it with AFL, the Australian national sport. |
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| Quote: Leyther_Matt "You're doing the Challenge Cup a dis-service there; weren't there entrants from England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, France and Russia last year?'"
Not from Ireland anymore, they stopped inviting them because they hardly ever turned up |
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| Quote: dally messenger "
Bingo you halfwit, that was my point!!
There was an already long established history - perhaps even hotbeds of the game in those 2 areas before they were allowed to compete in the premier comp.
RL in South Wales (and London for that matter) has had half hearted attempts at professional set ups for only the last 30 years or so and has never been lucky enough to have a pro-active and rich organisation such as the AFL to back things up.
Solid, slow and strong growth are the fundamentals required to integrate teams into the upper echelons of the sport.
What is happening at Celtic is like teaching a 3 year old to swim and then throwing him a 30 kilo lead weight to help him out.
HTH.
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|  I thought the Russian teams had stopped entering the CC because the RFL had stopped funding their travel? |
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| Quote: bowes "Not from Ireland anymore, they stopped inviting them because they hardly ever turned up'"
In that case, I stand corrected, but still with an extra country than the original post  |
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Quote: tb "And this is happening, is it?'"
I was referring to Dally's suggestion that the RFL should fund expansion with the logical conclusion.
I have no idea how much extra money (if any) the RFL give the Crusaders though they have had an RFL task force running the club since July when they hit financial troubles. The debts would suggest they haven't been bailed out as such
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Quote: tb "And this is happening, is it?'"
I was referring to Dally's suggestion that the RFL should fund expansion with the logical conclusion.
I have no idea how much extra money (if any) the RFL give the Crusaders though they have had an RFL task force running the club since July when they hit financial troubles. The debts would suggest they haven't been bailed out as such
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| Quote: Redchemic "
Solid, slow and strong growth are the fundamentals required to integrate teams into the upper echelons of the sport.
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Ok, can you provide an example since WW2 of a club which has grown from amateur beginnings into a solid SL club via this method ? |
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| Quote: Roy Haggerty "Ok, can you provide an example since WW2 of a club which has grown from amateur beginnings into a solid SL club via this method ?'"
Do only SL clubs count as "success"?
The reason why this didn't happen was that the new teams came from small towns such as Workington, Whitehaven, Doncaster etc. Haven doesn't even have a cinema, the idea that it could ever support a SL team is pie-in-the-sky.
The game needs to expand into larger cities but this didn't happen because of RFU sanctions and so bottom-up methods were impossible. This 2009 not 1909, there is no reason not to use effective methods just because those options didn't exist until now. |
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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot
Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good
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sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league
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Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate
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the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever
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Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go
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Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know
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| Quote: Hedgehog King "Look what the ARU did with the ARC.
That's why.
Rugby league is a minority sport in England. You cannot possibly compare it with AFL, the Australian national sport.'"
Thats what aussie fans don't understand. We are a tiny sport in this country. Our biggest clubs average over 14,000. In football they can fill 75,000 seats every week. There are clubs in the 3rd tier bigger than our biggest. RU can fill huge stadiums all over GB for internationals in Wales and Scotland and Ireland as well as England. Cricket have the most in demand tickets when the ashes come around. Tennis sold over 250,000 seats for the ATP world tour this week.
We have a great product but how can you sell it to people who are happy with their own? |
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| Quote: Roy Haggerty "Ok, can you provide an example since WW2 of a club which has grown from amateur beginnings into a solid SL club via this method ?'"
No.
I am not talking about the past. There was never any real will in the past as has been found out by those who saw how difficult it is to make a club from nothing too quickly.
I'm talking about what happens now in the present and the future.
We are in a newer media led age now with more wealthy people compared to maybe even 10 - 15 years ago. In theory it should be easier to build a club up to Super League level as long as there is the backing of the people in the area and wealthy benefactors with sound business plans.
It will never be easy and there are massive obstacles in the way but only strength of will and sustainable growth will make successes. |
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| Quote: dally messenger "nope wigan are pretty much my idea of a perfect SL club.
if leeds fixed headingly theyd be perfect too.
Hull FC, warrington are clearly the idea of SL clubs and hudds getting there.
Hull KR are the benchmark for the rest of how a small club should go about improving itself.
if you have 14 clubs like wigan or leeds, you wouldnt need threads like this
RL would be a whole lot bigger'"
That's probably a reasonable analysis of SL clubs but I don't think we were talking about that. |
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| Quote: Roy Haggerty "Ok, can you provide an example since WW2 of a club which has grown from amateur beginnings into a solid SL club via this method ?'"
So are you saying it takes a bit longer than 4 or 5 years then?  |
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