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Quote: Fax Missionary "The challenge cup final was nearly always a sell out before SL so he has a pretty valid point.'"


What if the CC fina was [inot[/i nearly always a sell out before SL?

Would that mean his point was [inot[/i valid?

Quote: Fax Missionary "Most people in the RL heartlands dont give a toss any more and have turned to other sports.'"


This just isn't true.

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Point on the CC attendances was that its losing its gloss and is no longer attractive to the neutral, whereas is was prior to SL. Now its a marginalised competition by the RFL who's focus is the grand final.

If you dont think people are getting disillusioned with the game in the UK you must live in a cave. The RFL focusing their efforts on a select few only serves to alienate those on the outside and those people dont go running to the nearest club as a substitute. Christ, the RFL dont even make a half attempt to please the NL clubs or BARLA and their fans so why would they give a toss about the game any more.

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Quote: Fax Missionary "Point on the CC attendances was that its losing its gloss and is no longer attractive to the neutral, whereas is was prior to SL.'"


No, the point is that what you said was wrong - and so if that was the support for his point, it has none.

Saturday's attendance compared well with any of the pre-Sl CC finals after the configuration of Wembley was changed.

I think you've come to a conclusion, and are trying to set the facts to fit.

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Quote: Fax Missionary "Point on the CC attendances was that its losing its gloss and is no longer attractive to the neutral, whereas is was prior to SL. Now its a marginalised competition by the RFL who's focus is the grand final.

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I think the final of the CC still has the same gloss and is still the big occasion it has been, there are many factors which probably contributed to the lower attendance this season - most notably probably the current economic climate making it harder for a lot of neutrals - but so far this is a one off drop and we will see in coming years how it works out in the long term.

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Quote: Fax Missionary "The challenge cup final was nearly always a sell out before SL so he has a pretty valid point. '"


If by "nearly always", you mean about 5 times spread over 3 decades, then you have a good point.

Quote: Fax Missionary "If you dont think people are getting disillusioned with the game in the UK you must live in a cave.'"


Maybe people are getting disillusioned, but it doesn't seem to stop them watching or playing in larger numbers. The huge rise in attendances at games compared to the 1990s, 1980s, 1970s or 1960s would tend to suggest the opposite. The tens of millions of pounds per year coming in to the game from Sky and from Sports England and the lottery would tend to suggest things aren't looking too bad?

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Quote: JonM "If by "nearly always", you mean about 5 times spread over 3 decades, then you have a good point.



Maybe people are getting disillusioned, but it doesn't seem to stop them watching or playing in larger numbers. The huge rise in attendances at games compared to the 1990s, 1980s, 1970s or 1960s would tend to suggest the opposite. The tens of millions of pounds per year coming in to the game from Sky and from Sports England and the lottery would tend to suggest things aren't looking too bad?'"


Most of the Wigan finals from 88-95 sold out didn't they? icon_confused.gif (+ both Bradford v Saints ones in 96 and 97 did IIRC).

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Am I the only one sitting here giggling at the irony of people who couldn't be d traveling to Wembley complaining about the lack of bums on seats during the course of the game?

Anybody who expects 80 thousand people to consist of only people from the two towns/cities (delete as appropriate) involved in the final is a deluded tosspot. That might happen in Football, it simply doesn't, and never has, happened in RL.

I also think it's a little harsh to be pointing at Huddersfield's alleged lack of support. The people that went (regardless of who they support actually) should all be applauded, not vilified for not cloning themselves to double the numbers.

Also, on the point of Warrington's hangers on ... I've got to be honest, I simply don't care - yes it would be nice if we needed to expand the HJ in order to accommodate over 20k fans a week - but that isn't going to happen, as far as the North West goes Warrington is a fairly affluent town (in the main), people who are in good jobs are well within their rights to travel to a game and support the team, even if they only did so by being taken in by the euphoria surrounding the semi final win.

Even if only 1% of those fans take more of an interest in the following the club in the future (every game or even only 1 or 2 games), then it's a win situation for the club.

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Quote: Paul Thexton "Am I the only one sitting here giggling at the irony of people who couldn't be d traveling to Wembley complaining about the lack of bums on seats during the course of the game?

Anybody who expects 80 thousand people to consist of only people from the two towns/cities (delete as appropriate) involved in the final is a deluded tosspot. That might happen in Football, it simply doesn't, and never has, happened in RL.

I also think it's a little harsh to be pointing at Huddersfield's alleged lack of support. The people that went (regardless of who they support actually) should all be applauded, not vilified for not cloning themselves to double the numbers.

Also, on the point of Warrington's hangers on ... I've got to be honest, I simply don't care - yes it would be nice if we needed to expand the HJ in order to accommodate over 20k fans a week - but that isn't going to happen, as far as the North West goes Warrington is a fairly affluent town (in the main), people who are in good jobs are well within their rights to travel to a game and support the team, even if they only did so by being taken in by the euphoria surrounding the semi final win.

Even if only 1% of those fans take more of an interest in the following the club in the future (every game or even only 1 or 2 games), then it's a win situation for the club.'"









It never ceases to amaze me the people who criticise so called hangers on. Te game needs to attract new fans for a start, but the whole point is wembley cup final days are for people who do not usally attend games but are enjoying the one off - the family outing with mum and grandma attending their first match for years, old firiends reunited... etc etc.

People need to chill and look at the bigger picture before they think 20k plus are 'hangers on' desperate for a bit of glory. There is more to their life then the result of a rugby matc.

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Quote: eddiewaringsflatcap "It never ceases to amaze me the people who criticise so called hangers on.'"


Exactly. The people who do it are usually the ones that think turning up to every home and away game somehow makes them special and a "better" supporter than anyone else.

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Quote: eddiewaringsflatcap "It never ceases to amaze me the people who criticise so called hangers on. Te game needs to attract new fans for a start, but the whole point is wembley cup final days are for people who do not usally attend games but are enjoying the one off - the family outing with mum and grandma attending their first match for years, old firiends reunited... etc etc.

People need to chill and look at the bigger picture before they think 20k plus are 'hangers on' desperate for a bit of glory. There is more to their life then the result of a rugby matc.'"


Every single club would have these 'hangers on.' It's inevitable that occasional watchers are going to be more attracted by a final. I'm from quite a large family and some of us will always go the game, often at different points. When it becomes a final everybody will go and even my sisters want to go.

We all do it to an extent. I don't really care about Football as much as I used to but come World Cup time I jump on the bandwagon because it's the only real time I'm interested.

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Quote: Fax Missionary "Point on the CC attendances was that its losing its gloss and is no longer attractive to the neutral, whereas is was prior to SL. Now its a marginalised competition by the RFL who's focus is the grand final.'"

How is this a point when the crowd compares well with those pre-SL?
As a sport, our expectations are rising. 7k was considered a good attendance at the forefront of SL. Last year, it was the second lowest average in the league.

76k was 14k short of capacity and nearly 10k short of the previous two New Wembley finals. It's still a tremendous attendance, but compares poorly to our new rising expectations.

Quote: Fax Missionary "If you dont think people are getting disillusioned with the game in the UK you must live in a cave. The RFL focusing their efforts on a select few only serves to alienate those on the outside and those people dont go running to the nearest club as a substitute. Christ, the RFL dont even make a half attempt to please the NL clubs or BARLA and their fans so why would they give a toss about the game any more.'"

Complete and utter drivel. For a start, BARLA run BARLA clubs, not the RFL.
And the Championship is getting some of the best crowds for lower league RL it's ever had. And they're on TV. And they receive money for it.

There are loads of people who are disillusioned with the RFL. But these are the kind of people that are disillusioned from reality also. The RFL cannot cater the delusional, and so don't try.

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