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Quote: Uptoncat "And clubs like Leeds and Bradford monopolising the junior talent doesn't help things either. They sign a big bulk of talent nurture a few and dump the remainding lads who subsequently leave the game feeling bitter and disgruntled.'"


so you go find more from elsewhere, if you truly dont believe wakefield can compete with Leeds and Bradford on their terms, go find your own terms to compete on, this is a competition is it not?

Quote: Uptoncat "Perhaps a cap should be placed on the number of players a team can have on its scholarship scheme thus spreading the talent more evenly. Granted the bigger/better clubs will still get the best players but the ones who would have been disgarded may well get a chance at other clubs. '"


why do expect a hand out? it is silly to pretend every player with sufficient quality is picked up by Leeds or Bradford before Wakefield get a shot, Jason Golden came through at leeds despite the fact that he went to school a stones throw from Belle Vue, where Wakefield came actually came in and did a bit of training, yet he wasnt picked up by Wakefield

Ryan Hall was playing for Oulton Raiders at 18, prior to being picked up by Leeds, why didnt wakefield have him before this?

All players of Quality clearly arent picked up, and thats without even looking at other areas

surely limiting the amount of players who get quality RL coaching at SL clubs, will limit the amount of quality players who through at SL clubs

wakefield need to find a way to compete, or understand that this level is too high for them

Quote: Uptoncat "You've also got to remember different players develop at different speeds and some don't come to the fore til they're in their twenties one such example being Kirke at Leeds who was 25 before he made his first team debut.'"


why arent wakey picking enough of these players up either?

Quote: Uptoncat "As for this not being an anti Wakey, well its obvious Marsden and smokey clearly hold a massive grudge against our club. To be fair no one else has bothered apart from another midget Wes Hooligan which is a great name for a supporter of a so called family game. Maybe a name change and some growing up is needed hey Wes?'"


why is it a grudge against your club? you know nothing of me! i want the wakefield club to do well, i know a few of the players and staff, and i know they are talented and hardworking and good people, and i want nothing but the best for them, it doesnt get around the fact that the very top of WTW is a complete shambles

there is plenty of talent in the Wakefield area, nobody is to blame for the fact WTW dont pick enough of these up but WTW

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Quote: Uptoncat "

As for this not being an anti Wakey, well its obvious Marsden and smokey clearly hold a massive grudge against our club. To be fair no one else has bothered apart from another midget Wes Hooligan which is a great name for a supporter of a so called family game. Maybe a name change and some growing up is needed hey Wes?'"


Some people think it is very poor that any club that has been in SL 10 or so years is still signing reserve graders. Clubs that have been in 1/2 years should have some slack..but 10 years is a joke. Also having 9/10 non UK players is disappointing. Obviously many wakey fans think this is okay..so be it.

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Quote: Marsdengiant "Some people think it is very poor that any club that has been in SL 10 or so years is still signing reserve graders. Clubs that have been in 1/2 years should have some slack..but 10 years is a joke. Also having 9/10 non UK players is disappointing. Obviously many wakey fans think this is okay..so be it.'"


And up until a couple of years ago this was fine for the Giants. Not anti Wakey my everything you post about the wildcats is negative. I Pity you, don't you have anything else to do?

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Quote: Uptoncat "And up until a year or two ago this was fine for the Giants.'"


Was it?

For around 4 years it has been at 7 and this year it is 5 with one more possible. In the last 3/4 years the signings have tended to be Oz grand finalists / players with rep honours. All with plenty of proven NRL experience.

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Quote: Marsdengiant "Was it?

For around 4 years it has been at 7 and this year it is 5 with one more possible. In the last 3/4 years the signings have tended to be Oz grand finalists / players with rep honours. All with plenty of proven NRL experience.'"


Actualy it's six:
Faiumu
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Quote: The Clan "Actualy it's six


Finnigan is english so actually its 5

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Quote: The Clan "Actualy it's six

No 5. The RFL are clear on Warrington born Finnigan. Its nice when being born in GB is taken into consideration. I know this is an issue re the Hendersons if they want to make a challenge.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "so you go find more from elsewhere, if you truly dont believe wakefield can compete with Leeds and Bradford on their terms, go find your own terms to compete on, this is a competition is it not?



why do expect a hand out? it is silly to pretend every player with sufficient quality is picked up by Leeds or Bradford before Wakefield get a shot, Jason Golden came through at leeds despite the fact that he went to school a stones throw from Belle Vue, where Wakefield came actually came in and did a bit of training, yet he wasnt picked up by Wakefield

Ryan Hall was playing for Oulton Raiders at 18, prior to being picked up by Leeds, why didnt wakefield have him before this?

All players of Quality clearly arent picked up, and thats without even looking at other areas

surely limiting the amount of players who get quality RL coaching at SL clubs, will limit the amount of quality players who through at SL clubs

wakefield need to find a way to compete, or understand that this level is too high for them



why arent wakey picking enough of these players up either?



why is it a grudge against your club? you know nothing of me! i want the wakefield club to do well, i know a few of the players and staff, and i know they are talented and hardworking and good people, and i want nothing but the best for them, it doesnt get around the fact that the very top of WTW is a complete shambles

there is plenty of talent in the Wakefield area, nobody is to blame for the fact WTW dont pick enough of these up but WTW'"


But Wakey have found a way to compete.
We just sign some antipodeans.
Wakey are not breaking any rules and remain within the restrictions.
Maybe Wakey couldnt careless about how good/bad /indifferent the GB team is.
Rest assured,when the restrictions on overseas players are tightened again - Wakefield will adhere to it.

I have already said that in isolation,i dont think it is good to sign another overseas player.
However,is there a British player available with the same potential in that position,that would come for the same money.
I would suggest - no-otherwise why go through the hassle with Visas and delays etc...
i would like to reopen this topic in 10 months,as far as i am aware,we have Martin,Blanch,Drew,Henderson,Latu all off contract at the end of this season.If they resign another five antipodeans then i will accept it is shameful.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "yes, if you want to pretend Pitts, Bibb, Murphy, Blake are first team players
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Yeah, you can't pretend players who haven't played for the first team are first team players.

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Quote: Uptoncat "To be fair no one else has bothered apart from another midget Wes Hooligan which is a great name for a supporter of a so called family game. Maybe a name change and some growing up is needed hey Wes?'"
It is a pun on the name of my favourite football player, Wes Hoolahan. I thought that would have been obvious.

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Quote: Wes Hooligan "It is a pun on the name of my favourite football player, Wes Hoolahan. I thought that would have been obvious.'"


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Quote: Wes Hooligan "It is a pun on the name of my favourite football player, Wes Hoolahan. I thought that would have been obvious.'"


Fair dos. Don't watch the round ball game it bores me to tears, he's hardly a household name though, having googled him I found he plays for those footballing giants Norwich City, hardly a club in the limelight so no I wouldn't say its an obvious pun at all.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "thank you for your permission,

to move on from your attempts at deflecting the argument,

do you think it is a good thing that in their 11th year of SL Wakefield will be using 11 antipodeans?

did you expect better? or do you truly believe that Wakefield do everything in their power to bring through as many quality young players as they can?

and if you do, how would you counter the argument that Wakefield simply arent a sustainable SL entity?'"


My argument, from my very first post is that no matter what Wakey did you and the other two would find fault no matter what, can you not figure that out.

I have no wish to discuss players with you under these circumstances. Some of the posters who have replied know far more than you or i will ever know so i'll leave it to them, listen to people who know and you may learn something kidda.

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So basically the troll who started this thread and Leeds Rhinos very own village idiot have an issue.

Nothing to see here people, move on....

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Quote: Marsdengiant "Nothing to say on the topic. What a surprise
So you can't answer my point about Sharp, as I say move on you're not worth what I scrape off my shoe.

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