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| Quote: GiantDee "You really cannot fairly compare teams from different eras. Take the great Wigan team, the would get smashed by todays Leeds team, due to advances in sport science even over that relatively short time, but they were a great team. The game is one of skill and physical prowess and any comparison of eras can only look at half the game (skill) as the more modern era will win the physical comparison every time.
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To a certain extent, I disagree with this theory.....I agree there is more professionalism in today's game, due to all clubs being full time, but to suggest that Leeds would smash that Wigan team is an absolute joke - It would more likely be the other way around.
The main difference between the eras is that nowadays there isn't as much of gap between top players and those at the bottom end of the quality scale - Pre Super League, there were many great players who would definitely hack it at today's level, but there was also plenty of very mediocre players who wouldn't last 10 minutes in today's game....What made Wigan so special is that nearly all their side were at the top end of the quality scale.
If you really think today's game is that much better than that early 90's era, just compare the GB/England sides from then and now - Its embarrassing how poor we are now compared to then, seing as Super League was supposed to improve the standard of our game, because that GB team of old would tear the present bunch a new bumhole....
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| They wouldnt, there were some god awful players around late 80's early 90's. Its easy to look like a world beater when you are playing against a panel beater.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "They wouldnt, there were some god awful players around late 80's early 90's. Its easy to look like a world beater when you are playing against a panel beater.'"
How many panel beaters did that Brisbane side have in its ranks back in '94, or how many did you have in your line up for '94 and '95 Cup finals?....
That Wigan side of the early 90's, when put next to your present side, comes out on top in my eyes.....Yes, they did play against a weaker league in general, but there were still some very handy sides around who could test them, and more often than not they would come out on top.
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| They were players of their time, they didnt play the modern game so they didnt need the skills a modern day player has.
The tackles are harder, the players fitter, the game quicker, the gaps smaller, the defences better
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "They were players of their time, they didnt play the modern game so they didnt need the skills a modern day player has.
The tackles are harder, the players fitter, the game quicker, the gaps smaller, the defences better'"
Its all opinions I suppose, but just for starters, Offiah v Hall, Edwards v McGuire, Hanley v Sinfield.....You'd need a damn good argument to convince me that any of those 3 Leeds players come out on top in those match ups.
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| anyway to get back on topic
i have heard a rumour that wigan.warrington,saints and hull fc etc etc have finally grasped the concept of what it takes to be crowned the official sl champions, apparently you can actually finish anywhere between first and eighth
i anticipate more big time bottling by the top sides during the seasons finale as opposed to the side that knows how to perform when it matters
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| Quote: LeedsDave "Leeds would be worthy champions as they have won the final. Struggle to understand what people don't grasp.
New England Patriots went unbeaten for the entire season the other year only to lose in the Super Bowl to NY Giants and see their rivals be crowned Champions.
No complaints from them, that's how the competition is structured. Same here. If you have the team to win it from 5th then you deserve to be champions.'"
Except that its not. Your post is in fact completely ignorant of the difference between Super League and the NFL in terms of structure, namely that each of the respective NFL teams do not play every twice. That is the whole point of the play off system - to cater for the nuances in the schedules.
As for Leeds 'best team ever.' Not close. The Wigan 1994/95 side and Saints 2000 sides were markedly better in my opinion and oozed class. Quite how the OP team can compare a team that finishes 5th to those teams is quite frankly barmy.
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| This Leeds team (2012) is probably not as good as the sides you mention. The team in 2004 was arguably as good only losing 2 league games all season and winning the gf.
The fact that we have reached 7 of the last 9 finals winning 6 of them is a sign that although players and coaches have left and been replaced the core of the team are champions.
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| All done staying within the cap.
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| Quote: rhinos21 "All done staying within the cap.'"
and???......
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| Quote: Dita's Slot Meter "and???......
Therefore achieving an absolutely remarkable feat by playing within the salary cap rules agreed by all SL clubs - or to put it another way, doing it without cheating.
Sadly we can't say the same for the other winners of the GF; Bulls, Warriors and Saints, can we?
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| Quote: Dita's Slot Meter "How many panel beaters did that Brisbane side have in its ranks back in '94, or how many did you have in your line up for '94 and '95 Cup finals?....
I agree with a lot of what you have posted. There is one factor you haven't taken in to account and that's the way history tends to remember things in a better way than more recent events. When making a subjective assessment like this it's got to be a huge factor.
Nobody will ever call a current team "the greatest ever", even Wigan had to contend with being compared to the great Hudds team of the 50's.
All I'd say is that the Leeds team of 2004 was as good a club side as I have ever seen, 2008 and 2009 vintage wasn't bad either.
"Best team ever" - can't be said.
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| Quote: DHM "All I'd say is that the Leeds team of 2004 was as good a club side as I have ever seen, 2008 and 2009 vintage wasn't bad either.
"Best team ever" - can't be said.'"
I agree, the Leeds team of 04 is criminally underrated IMO.
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| Quote: eddiewaringsflatcap "
Except that its not. Your post is in fact completely ignorant of the difference between Super League and the NFL in terms of structure, namely that each of the respective NFL teams do not play every twice. That is the whole point of the play off system - to cater for the nuances in the schedules.'"
Nope I'm not ignorant to the differences - my point was made on the similarities that a team can be consistent all year but fall at the final hurdle. Regardless of the structure, I think it's a valid comparison. Probably even more so because the Patriots had already played and beaten the Giants in the regular season..... only to lose to them in the final.
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As for Leeds 'best team ever.' Not close. The Wigan 1994/95 side and Saints 2000 sides were markedly better in my opinion and oozed class. Quite how the OP team can compare a team that finishes 5th to those teams is quite frankly barmy.'"
And well done you've missed the point. Sinfield's Leeds won the league again - finishing 5th doesn't change that.
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| Quote: eddiewaringsflatcap "
As for Leeds 'best team ever.' Not close. The Wigan 1994/95 side and Saints 2000 sides were markedly better in my opinion and oozed class. Quite how the OP team can compare a team that finishes 5th to those teams is quite frankly barmy.'"
And that is the schoolboy error that all the other sides keep making. While they FINISH, Leeds carry on and win the trophy.
Leeds FINISHED as Champions. End of story.
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