I don't think anyone as of yet has suggested they play together? They do still need time to develop as you won't see any Leeds fans claim they are close to the finished article, far from it. They are however two of the most promising athletic backs we've had in a while, a mixture between players of their build plus the agility of the likes of Tomkins and Charnley is a very dangerous mix. We've lacked 'big' backs for a while now.

That's a good point. I was sceptical at first about Robinson as an international hooker but there's no denying that he was very good in an England shirt and is playing very well for Huddersfield right now.

Also, being a former Wigan player he's likely to have a great game against us on Friday night

Why do you think that Watkins defense is so poor? You've mentioned it a couple of times now.
For Leeds he does a lot of tackling, and doesnt seem to miss that many tackles. He's missed a few games this season, but has made more tackles than Atkins and Goulding, and missed a similar number.

For me, we should be blooding the youngsters. We know what the older guys can do (or not do) and how they have performed in recent years. The Exiles tests should be a chance to blood those youngsters, get them used to the environment and give them the best possible step up.

Totally out of left-field but how about this on form:

Greg Eden
Josh Charnley
Kallum Watkins
Jordan Turner
Luke George

Rangi Chase* - I don't think we saw best of him last season due to Sinfield playing. I'd like to see how he does at side of DB.
Danny Brough

Larne Patrick
Daryl Clark
Andy Lynch
Elliott Whitehead
Tony Clubb
Kevin Brown

Danny Houghton
Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook
Tom Burgess
Gareth Hock

It wasn't a case of saying that we should drop everyone altogether. I was making a point of the fact that there's no point playing Morley, Peacock, Roby, Tomkins, Westwood, O'Loughlin, Sinfield, Wilkin, Crabtree, and so forth. We've already seen them at this level and we know that for the most, they're OK enough to play.

I know what you're saying, but isn't it best to find out how young players perform alongside those who are likely to be in the full strength team with them? If those established players were removed and the team performed really badly you might end up missing a player who could actually have offered something much better in a full strength side.
If players can develop an understanding at international level and keep their place in the side regularly then it's a good thing and that consistency should be continued. The Aussie have had consistency in some key positions for a long time and that made things so much easier for them at international level. Constantly chopping and changing the players involved can make it much harder to develop an understanding between players in the side and make it harder to perform at their best.

If there are players like Westwood, Tomkins, Sinfield, O'Loughlin etc who are likely to feature in a full strength team then it's better for them to partner some of the younger players to get used to the way they play the game and see which combinations show some promise.

Id agree with that, but considering what you have said surely suggesting McIlorum is biased because there is simply not any chance in hell he can be suggested to replace Roby which is the only position he could realistically take?

BJB should be nowhere near the England squad

The person who mentioned it was agreeing with others who said that Roby only seemed to be playing well right now behind a dominant pack. I'm not sure whether I agree with that or not but it's something others had suggested, not just a Wigan fan. He also said McIlorum and Houghton were two he'd look at, rather than saying McIlorum should replace Roby.

I'd say on balance he was just giving his opinion. Roby has been poor on both occasions against Wigan this year so it's possible for Wigan fans to be less than impressed with him.

One thing that pleases me is the increased competition for places in the team at the moment. There seems to be more debate about who should be involved and more candidates being mentioned for different positions. I hope that it's because there are more talented players performing well at the moment as opposed to there being lots of reasonably talented players but few that stand out.

St's have been poor against Wigan this year. And lets be honest any hooker behind a struggling pack struggles to impress. Similarly when in front of a dominant pack they look good. Whether you are Roby, Smith, Farah, Buderus, Robinson whoever.

What i would say is one of the best things in Roby's favour is even behind a beaten pack he usually does the basics well. His distribution from the floor is good, he makes good metres, he is dynamic around the ruck and he tackles very well. Roby owns that shirt. We might as well give him the shirt and preprint the team sheets with Roby 9 on for the next 5 years at least. McIlorum, if on form, is fighting to step in when Roby is injured.

I can see the point in giving games to some fringe players, but you need a core. For the world cup we should be putting our core in place. We should have our 1, 6,7,9 in place now. I think we do, i think Tomkins, Widdop, Sinfield, Roby should be given their shirts now and we build a team around them.

Yeah we can try out some centre/wing combinations and some prop rotations, but lets get the 1,6,7,9 in place and work from there. Id want to see if we can play 4 props and 4 2nd rowers in the team. Lets see 20mins with Sinfield moving to hooker and Tomkins to S-O, whether we play Lynch or Crabtree in the pack when we do that isnt going to be the barometer of whether it works.

I like that combination, i think it offers us great flexibility. It gives us an organising stand off who can cover hooker. A scrum half who can cover FB, and an FB who can play stand off and a hooker who can play loose. That core allows us play around. You could put Burrow on the bench, he can step in to hooker and rest Roby, he could step in to half back, move Sinfield to Hooker and Tomkins to Stand off and Widdop can take a step back to FB. You could against a tiring pack of forwards play both Roby and Burrow at hooker. Can you imagine the impact of bringing on a player like Crabtree and Hock and Westwood, Sinfield directing us around the field, Widdop running it, Burrow and Roby both buzzing around the PTB, with Tomkins injecting himself when he sees fit? Yeah it would take a big effort to defend with that many playmakers but bloody hell there are tries there!

You could go with a big big bench. 2 props and 2nd rowers. Ellis and Ablett interchanging with Burgess and Westwood. Graham and Crabtree interchanging with Hock and Bailey? huge pack. Go without a centre and play 6 forwards for 20 minutes. In fact play 6 forwards and give Roby a rest. Move Watkins to FB, Tomkins to Stand off and Sinfield to hooker. Sinfield plays it safe, good pass selection, quick and accurate from the floor, yeah he isnt making breaks or causing the damage Roby would but in 20 minutes you will have a fresh Roby + 3 rested forwards to come on against a side which have had to tackle monsters for 20minutes with Tomkins buzzing around any offloads. You could play the third 20 mins of that match
Graham Sinfield Burgess
Ablett Ellis
Bailey
which is a massive pack

then interchange for for the last quarter
Crabtree Roby Hock
Westwood Ellis
O'loughlin

With all of them fresh bar Ellis.

I think right now yeah we can try Ablett, Lynch, Patrick, Crabtree, Burrow, Robinson, Burrow etc, but we need to put the core in place for next year, this year imo.

Bailey, although he does a decent job for Leeds there are much better English forwards than him, especially as you seem to have him down at LF?

Sinfield is an excellent halfback and LF, there are better hooker than him in SL.

That wasnt a starting pack, just a rotation option if we were to play 2 props and 2 back rowers on the bench. Yeah there are better hookers in SL but we couldnt pick any of them if Roby starts and we play 2 props and 2 back rowers on the bench.

Sorry, I stopped reading when you appeared to be seriously suggesting Bailey be anywhere near an England shirt...