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Quote: who needs flankers? "Yes. In the GF he stops the man but thats it. Have a look at his tackles. Every time he ends up inline with the person he is tackling. Never is he infront. He is content to let the man half past him before tackling.

In the wet conditions of the GF it worked. In dry conditions the attacker will either offload or get a quick play of the ball in before the marker can get set and gain momentum. He needs to stand up to the attacker more.'"


That's poppycock.

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This squad will set international Rugby League back years!

When we get record home defeats against NZ & Aus it will make the rah rah boys world cup performances look respectable.

If I were in charge at the RFL, I'd be forced to act now and replace SM before we even get near the tournament.

If alarm bells aren't ringing at Red Hall then we are totally clueless from the top down and all is lost for decades.

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I'm yet to see anyone offer any viable alternatives to some of the debatable selections. The only thing people can spout is the usual "give the young uns a chance, these players are tried and failed" Yet they're only 6 players over the age of 29 and only 5 or 6 players with 10 caps or more!

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Quote: Sesquipedalian "This squad will set international Rugby League back years!

When we get record home defeats against NZ & Aus it will make the rah rah boys world cup performances look respectable.

If I were in charge at the RFL, I'd be forced to act now and replace SM before we even get near the tournament.

If alarm bells aren't ringing at Red Hall then we are totally clueless from the top down and all is lost for decades.'"


Who would you pick then??? Too many people saying the squad is awful, more young ones should play, but who has he missed out??

Foster isnt international standard, neither is Arundel....who else is there?

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Quote: Wilde 3 "Who would you pick then??? Too many people saying the squad is awful, more young ones should play, but who has he missed out??

Foster isnt international standard, neither is Arundel....who else is there?'"


The only one I can think of is Bailey over Mossop or Luke Burgess and McColorum over Houghton. But, you can make a case for both.

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1. Sam Tomkins
2. Ryan Hall
3. Jack Reed
4. Krik Yeaman
5. Tom Briscoe
6. Gareth Widdop
7. Rangi Chase
8. James Graham
9. James Roby
10. Jamie Peacock
11. Gareth Ellis
12. Ben Westwood
13. Chris Heightington

14. Kevin Sinfield
15. Gareth Carvell
16. Adrian Morley
17. John Wilkin

I wouldn't start Sinfield at loose the majority of his rugby has been played at 6 this year! keep him on the bench for utility reasons.

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Quote: Newton-Le-willows-Warrior "1. Sam Tomkins
2. Ryan Hall
3. Jack Reed
4. Krik Yeaman
5. Tom Briscoe
6. Gareth Widdop
7. Rangi Chase
8. James Graham
9. James Roby
10. Jamie Peacock
11. Gareth Ellis
12. Ben Westwood
13. Chris Heightington

14. Kevin Sinfield
15. Gareth Carvell
16. Adrian Morley
17. John Wilkin

I wouldn't start Sinfield at loose the majority of his rugby has been played at 6 this year! keep him on the bench for utility reasons.'"

All we can look for as England fans is improvement in the team year on year

Compare the team above (the starting 13 I agree with... maybe switching Sinfield and Heightington over) with the team that lost to Australia in the 4 Nations last year

S Tomkins
D Goulding
L Cudjoe
R Atkins
T Briscoe
S O'Loughlin
L Robinson
J Graham
J Roby
S Burgess
G Ellis
J Tomkins
B Westwood

S Lunt
S Fielden
E Crabtree
B Harrison

In the halves and backline, the 2011 team looks far stronger while the forwards look as strong and maybe a bit stronger with the return of Morley and Peacock. If we can get this team on the park, I think we will be very competitive

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Quote: AaronBull "Because as much as you'd like to believe it, the likes of Cudjoe, Brough, Brown and McGilvaray, Crabtree are nowhere near good enough.

I assume that's what you were implying.'"



Not at all , on form we shouldnt have anyone in the squad apart from Cudjoe, i wasn't implying Giant players should be in, the point i am making is for years we have had the same players playing International rugby without any success....then we get a new regime coming in saying its time to ditch the old and get the new , upcoming exciting players to take their mantle ...what we find is that after 1 failed tournament they are ditched ..and replaced by or places continously taken by players who have failed many times in the past !!.

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Anyone who puts McGuire in before Brough is mad.

Brough came back from injury and was playing in a very poor side. We had NO go forwards from our pack for the last two months. Any good half will struggle when their pack is on the back fot. Roby would have looked crap behind our pack in the last two months.


Brough has the ability to kick and pass and do something different that would have given the England team options. McGuire will only do something if someone else creates the space for him.

McGuire has been a FAILURE at INTERNATIONAL level whenever he has been picked.

He is a back up player and offers litle else.

Dont talk about organising things as Sinfield does that for Leeds. Mc Banana has taken the easy option and done nothing to shake things up.

The squad is full of Leeds players who it is hard to make a case for. Winning the GF does not make them international quality players.

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Quote: GIANT DAZ "Not at all , on form we shouldnt have anyone in the squad apart from Cudjoe, i wasn't implying Giant players should be in, the point i am making is for years we have had the same players playing International rugby without any success....then we get a new regime coming in saying its time to ditch the old and get the new , upcoming exciting players to take their mantle ...what we find is that after 1 failed tournament they are ditched ..and replaced by or places continously taken by players who have failed many times in the past !!.'"


I think we are still short of a few more Leeds Players in the team.

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Quote: Durham Giant "

He is a back up player and offers litle else.

'"


1 more assist than Brough this year. 7 games less

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I don't have many issues with the squad considering the players we have missing. How they are coached is a different issue entirely but I hope he can at least let players play to their strengths at this level ie Sinfield and McGuire at 6 and 7 or not at all.

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Our national coaches seem to like picking half backs for GB/England that do not have the allround skills to play at that level. We have done it for years i think. This year we pick Lomax, who like Eastmond is a talent but does not seem to have the full range of skills especially a kicking game to do well in internationals at this time. And then we pick McGuirewhen he gets injured. We seem to fall into the same trap every time.

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Quote: Durham Giant "
McGuire has been a FAILURE at INTERNATIONAL level whenever he has been picked.

He is a back up player and offers litle else.
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Both nonsense.

And if we are picking players who haven't failed at international level the squad would be very thin indeed.

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