Nice try....but I mentioned and then you hung your hat on 2 events.....16 at both, so 16 Australian and 16 NON Australian.....yet you claim them both as AUSTRALIAN SPORTS.

If Sid James were alive he could play you in "carry on failing" (babs Windsor as loiner81)





They paid to get in....47,013/98.35% of the grounds worth.....



I don't need billy to deal with you and your girlfriend.........but nice try to further deflect away from the question asked...you remember, the pertinent one to the actual topic?



I'll stop you there. You admit to agreeing with Starbug......who was discussing ATTENDANCES in the cup based on his TV viewing.


Irrelevant. the attendance door wasn't shut because you used a full stop.......attendances were still by association (no pun intended) still on the table.
The rest of your comments about City/Chelsea were objective.....47,013 disagree with you and paid to do so!



The FA cup may well be in the eyes of many, not as important as the Premiership and the Champions League, but it is no way, in any way shape or form, as terminally in decline as the Challenge cup. To say that is makes you and your ilk nothing short of apologists for the RFL....knock down Nigel posters must adorn your bedroom wall.....4 of them...one for each wall....with a bit of ceiling covered too!


...the truth will set you free.


nah...I bet they were all lunatic masochists who bought the tickets not caring who won...I bet some of them were millwall fans just buying up Chelsea's allocation to spite their hated rivals

If the RFL's audience figures don't correspond with BARB's officially published figures, then whose figures do they correspond with?

Be fair Bill. Knock-Down Nigel's bumper book of Spin has delivered so much in the way of Legacy from the RLWC, surely the odd "mistake" can be expected



BTW.....BARB take the entire viewing figure for the programme and create their own average. This is the industry standard figure that is accepted by agents and advertisers alike. The RFL did nothing wrong except compare the BARB averaged figure from 2013 with the "raw" data from 2014......if they had waited a couple of weeks then they would have been accurate/precise, but they got ahead of themselves and now they look stupid.

at Least the adjusted average figure makes the TV deal starting in 2017 but agreed no look a little better than it did before

Nice try yourself, you tried to make out that I was saying Wellington was an Australian city, I clearly didn't. At least you haven't descended into childish lines to deflect away from your lack of decent argument and knowledge of the current state of English football.



Oh wait, scrap that.





Bless you thinking everyone paid to get in. Interesting how you and Billy think everyone who enters a RL match does so on a discounted ticket (oh apart from Bill who ALLEGEDLY bought all his full price but then brags about get cheap tv contracts and plane flights

)




You asked me one question that you wanted a yes/no answer to. I replied "I did say that".......now granted that's not a word-for-word a "yes", but it's a pretty clearly saying yes. A man of your claimed intelligence should've got the jist of that surely?

So whose deflecting by claiming I didn't answer questions?

Go back and double check if you like, it's still there........now how about the questions you've been asked?



Yes and as explained before, but you're struggling to understand I went on to mention something else.



Note, something isn't irrelevant just because you don't want it to be because you've based your original argument on something else.



Really? You asked them all if they disagreed with me?



Sorry must have missed the bit where I said the CC was doing great or the RFL were amazing, or mentioned Nigel Wood. Truth is the CC isn't as important as it was, I've never claimed it to be, it's you here that is hopelessly defending a cup competition, not me.

The FA Cup isn't in decline no.......just got Premiership managers saying they wish they didn't have to compete in it lol.

I've no idea, why not ask them?
And that's not what i asked you though is it?

Oh dear, you've just reinforced everything I said about you at the bottom of page 12 of this thread.

Nicely done

Quote William Eve="William Eve"[size=150=#FF0000BREAKING NEWS!!![/size RFL discovered to be talking bollox [url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/news/article/29472/records-fall-as-first-utilityHERE[/url about the record breaking, smashing all box office records figure of 353,000 viewers tuning into the Wigan V Huddersfield opening SL fixture on Sky Sports 1 on Friday 7th Feb. The actual viewing figure was 243,000 according to www.barb.co.uk which was beaten by Premier League Darts viewing figures of 284,000 the night before (Thu 6th Feb) Sky Sports 1 w/e 9 Feb 2014 000's 1 LIVE FORD SUPER SUNDAY - MATCH (SUN 1525) 1,910 2 LIVE FORD MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL (MON 1900) 1,598 3 LIVE FORD SUPER SUNDAY - MATCH (SUN 1230) 1,133 4 FORD SATURDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL LIVE (SAT 1657) 697 5 FL72 LIVE - YEOVIL V LEEDS (SAT 1200) 374 6 GILLETTE SOCCER SATURDAY 09-10 (SAT 1500) 338 7 LIVE PREMIER LEAGUE DARTS/#PREMIER LEAGU (THU 1900 284 =#FF00008 LIVE SUPER LEAGUE (FRI 1900) 243 9 REAL MADRID V AT MADRID-LIVE (WED 1855) 241 10 REAL SOCIEDAD V LEVANTE-LIVE (SUN 1830) 219 ...(*Source: barb.co.uk) They also told porkies about the viewing figures for the Aviva Premiership game on BT Sport 1 which registered 75,000 viewers according to BARB as opposed to the 65,200 claimed by the RFL. BT Sport 1 w/e 9 Feb 2014 000's 1 BARCLAYS PREMIER LEAGUE (SAT 1200) 973 2 FA CUP (WED 1915) 127 =#FF00003 AVIVA PREMIERSHIP RUGBY (FRI 1900) 75 4 FRENCH LIGUE 1 (SUN 1955) 51 5 AVIVA PREMIERSHIP RUGBY (SAT 1830) 45 6 AVIVA PREMIERSHIP RUGBY (SUN 1200) 44 7 NBA (SAT 1506) 40 8 SERIE A (MON 1943) 29 9 GOAL! BUNDESLIGA PREVIEW (THU 2059) 24 10 FRENCH LEAGUE CUP (TUE 1958) 20 ...(* Source: barb.co.uk) [uTo summarise the RFL horse earlier this week.....[/u 1. The 353,000 was actually 243,000 which was less than the 251,000 viewers who tuned into the Widnes V Wakey SL opener in 2012. 2. The alleged 38% increase in viewing figures on last season's SL opener was actually 29% (243K v 188K). 3. The alleged extra 288,000 viewers tuning into Super League on 7th Feb which was alleged to be 543% higher than the alleged viewers for the Union game on the much smaller BT Sport subscription base was actually an extra 168,000 which is 324% higher (243K v 75K). 4. I expect the RFL viewing comparison to BDO Darts on Eurosport (A desperate RFL or what? Well, they are hardly going to compare the figures with Premier League Darts for obvious reasons ) are garbage as well since according to BARB, Eurosport haven't reported any viewing figures for that week. 5. RFL Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics by plenty '" the 353 is not actually 243. one is a peak figure and one is an average figure. chances are all three figures are more than likely right. like i have posted elsewhere. my take on it is... 353 is obviously the peak figure 299 might be the average from 8pm kickoff till the game finishes 243 is the average from the start of the program (730pm) till the end (10pm) just on peaks, averages (and how they work) and that city game man city v chelsea PEAKED WITH 6.01M, The full programme averaged 4.57M

Quote William Eve="William Eve"[size=150=#FF0000BREAKING NEWS!!![/size RFL discovered to be talking bollox [url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/news/article/29472/records-fall-as-first-utilityHERE[/url about the record breaking, smashing all box office records figure of 353,000 viewers tuning into the Wigan V Huddersfield opening SL fixture on Sky Sports 1 on Friday 7th Feb. The actual viewing figure was 243,000 according to www.barb.co.uk which was beaten by Premier League Darts viewing figures of 284,000 the night before (Thu 6th Feb) Sky Sports 1 w/e 9 Feb 2014 000's 1 LIVE FORD SUPER SUNDAY - MATCH (SUN 1525) 1,910 2 LIVE FORD MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL (MON 1900) 1,598 3 LIVE FORD SUPER SUNDAY - MATCH (SUN 1230) 1,133 4 FORD SATURDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL LIVE (SAT 1657) 697 5 FL72 LIVE - YEOVIL V LEEDS (SAT 1200) 374 6 GILLETTE SOCCER SATURDAY 09-10 (SAT 1500) 338 7 LIVE PREMIER LEAGUE DARTS/#PREMIER LEAGU (THU 1900 284 =#FF00008 LIVE SUPER LEAGUE (FRI 1900) 243 9 REAL MADRID V AT MADRID-LIVE (WED 1855) 241 10 REAL SOCIEDAD V LEVANTE-LIVE (SUN 1830) 219 ...(*Source: barb.co.uk) They also told porkies about the viewing figures for the Aviva Premiership game on BT Sport 1 which registered 75,000 viewers according to BARB as opposed to the 65,200 claimed by the RFL. BT Sport 1 w/e 9 Feb 2014 000's 1 BARCLAYS PREMIER LEAGUE (SAT 1200) 973 2 FA CUP (WED 1915) 127 =#FF00003 AVIVA PREMIERSHIP RUGBY (FRI 1900) 75 4 FRENCH LIGUE 1 (SUN 1955) 51 5 AVIVA PREMIERSHIP RUGBY (SAT 1830) 45 6 AVIVA PREMIERSHIP RUGBY (SUN 1200) 44 7 NBA (SAT 1506) 40 8 SERIE A (MON 1943) 29 9 GOAL! BUNDESLIGA PREVIEW (THU 2059) 24 10 FRENCH LEAGUE CUP (TUE 1958) 20 ...(* Source: barb.co.uk) [uTo summarise the RFL horse earlier this week.....[/u 1. The 353,000 was actually 243,000 which was less than the 251,000 viewers who tuned into the Widnes V Wakey SL opener in 2012. 2. The alleged 38% increase in viewing figures on last season's SL opener was actually 29% (243K v 188K). 3. The alleged extra 288,000 viewers tuning into Super League on 7th Feb which was alleged to be 543% higher than the alleged viewers for the Union game on the much smaller BT Sport subscription base was actually an extra 168,000 which is 324% higher (243K v 75K). 4. I expect the RFL viewing comparison to BDO Darts on Eurosport (A desperate RFL or what? Well, they are hardly going to compare the figures with Premier League Darts for obvious reasons ) are garbage as well since according to BARB, Eurosport haven't reported any viewing figures for that week. 5. RFL Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics by plenty '" the 353 is not actually 243. one is a peak figure and one is an average figure. chances are all three figures are more than likely right. like i have posted elsewhere. my take on it is... 353 is obviously the peak figure 299 might be the average from 8pm kickoff till the game finishes 243 is the average from the start of the program (730pm) till the end (10pm) just on peaks, averages (and how they work) and that city game man city v chelsea PEAKED WITH 6.01M, The full programme averaged 4.57M

Is that the sound of the printer slashing his wrists?

Can I just remind people whether you enjoy this bickering or not, please stop avoiding the swear filter with starts of words plus **!!£££ etc.

If you are going to swear just do it and let the filter amend. Or just put in ******** and leave it to everyone's own imagination.

Alternate spellings and O**er get around's are annoying.

Alternatively the grown ups could try using a thesaurus and start being more creative with their vocabulary.

Happy Bickering!!!!!

A peak of 6 million......wow.....only another 22 million to go until they match the 28 million that watched Chelsea vs Leeds in 1970 final.

That's an interesting take on the figures and a perfectly reasonable stab by yourself at explaining away the very awkward discrepancy between the RFL's quoted figure of 353k for the Wigan/Hudds game and BARB's figure of 243k for the same fixture.

But how does the same rationale explain away the RFL's quoted figure of 62k for the Worcs/Leics RU game on BT Sport 1 with BARB's figure of 75k? Surely if the RFL were engaging in a like-for-like viewing comparison, they'd be comparing the peak viewing figure of the SL game on SS1 with the peak viewing figure of the RU game on BT Sport 1?

In other words, if the 75k BARB figure for the Union game on BT Sport 1 is only the average (in the same way 243k was for the SL game on Sky Sports 1) from the start of the program until the end, then surely the average figure during the game itself was also higher and the peak figure even higher than that?

For instance...
The 353k figure is 45% higher than 243k figure.
The 299k figure is 23% higher than 243k figure.

applying the same incremental percentage increases to the RU figures...
75k x 23% = 92k
75k x 45% = 109k (peak viewing figure?)

Regarding the RFL claim that, and I quote... [i"The opening fixture of the 2014 First Utility Super League season smashed all box office records by recording the biggest television audience for a Round 1 fixture in the competition’s 19-year history"[/i...

... the viewing figure for the opening Widnes/Wakey fixture of the 2012 season was 251k according to BARB which is higher than their 243k viewing figure for the Wigan/Hudds opener in 2014. Would it's peak viewing figure also be higher than 353k?

Despite WE's glee, the viewing figures are
Still fantastic!

Although as another poster said, all 3 figures could be correct!

To blatently ie about another sports viewing figures and indeed their own could land the RFL in hot water. So
I'm pretty certain they are correct.