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Quote: littlerich "I cannot see how a club with an 11,000 fan base can be kicked out.

However, nor can i see a justification for simply sweeping the whole mess under the carpet and forgetting it ever happened. There has to be a critical deterrent for club owners to prevent them doing what Bradford have done - without consequence. But what can that deterrent be when there is a lack of quality clubs queueing up to potentially take a place of a failed SL club? The longer term consequence of what's happened is a real headache for the RFL.'"


They've got a 11,000 fan base, from season tickets that are basement level cheap. Lots of clubs could do that. They've been ran pretty poorly for years now and must've known the offers would come back to hurt them.

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Quote: Chris Dalton "He's on a wind up. Always has been, always will be.'"


Of course he is, he'll be currently working out how to justify the ' governance and structure ' decision by the independant icon_lol.gif committee

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Quote: Starbug "Good operating structure/governance, perhaps?'"

What do you propose was wrong with their operating structure/governance? Especially considering the club acknowledged and accepted the challenges they face?

And what do you propose would the operating structure/governance they should have had and how would it have prevented this situation arising?

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Quote: Chris Dalton "They've got a 11,000 fan base, from season tickets that are basement level cheap. Lots of clubs could do that. They've been ran pretty poorly for years now and must've known the offers would come back to hurt them.'"


OK, i bet they have a 9,000 fan base that are prepared to pay full whack. Whatever figure we land on that's still miles more than any club that might be brought in to replace them. That's what you have in one hand. In the other you have the option to punish by relegation. To send out a stark warning to other clubs that, no matter how big and flash you [iwere[/i - you aren't so big that we can't despatch you to the lower leagues. The Jocks did it with Rangers and that's more financially critical than kicking the Bulls out. It's the RFL's decision ATEOTD. They'll choose to keep them in no doubt.

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Quote: littlerich "OK, i bet they have a 9,000 fan base that are prepared to pay full whack. Whatever figure we land on that's still miles more than any club that might be brought in to replace them. That's what you have in one hand. In the other you have the option to punish by relegation. To send out a stark warning to other clubs that, no matter how big and flash you [iwere[/i - you aren't so big that we can't despatch you to the lower leagues. The Jocks did it with Rangers and that's more financially critical than kicking the Bulls out. It's the RFL's decision ATEOTD. They'll choose to keep them in no doubt.'"

Believe me, the SPL will come to regret the short-sighted decision they took there.

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Quote: littlerich "OK, i bet they have a 9,000 fan base that are prepared to pay full whack. Whatever figure we land on that's still miles more than any club that might be brought in to replace them. That's what you have in one hand. In the other you have the option to punish by relegation. To send out a stark warning to other clubs that, no matter how big and flash you [iwere[/i - you aren't so big that we can't despatch you to the lower leagues. The Jocks did it with Rangers and that's more financially critical than kicking the Bulls out. It's the RFL's decision ATEOTD. They'll choose to keep them in no doubt.'"


From a business point of view for the Bulls it might be more beneficial to start lower down and build some strong foundations. If and when they do come back into Super League they could have the 'Hull KR' effect and build up some excitement about their return and get that buzz back.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "What do you propose was wrong with their operating structure/governance? Especially considering the club acknowledged and accepted the challenges they face?

And what do you propose would the operating structure/governance they should have had and how would it have prevented this situation arising?'"


Id suggest that losing hundreds of thousands a year would come under their ' structure and governance ' , so wether they were aware of challenges is irrelivant, they were already fooked

As to what they should have done about it? , admitted it and lost their licence would have been the honorable thing, but the consequenses of that is an even bigger problem, tgat is the real problem we have, and the failing of the sport

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Quote: SmokeyTA "What do you propose was wrong with their operating structure/governance? Especially considering the club acknowledged and accepted the challenges they face?

And what do you propose would the operating structure/governance they should have had and how would it have prevented this situation arising?'"


Selling season tickets for £60?
Spending £200k a month on staff costs when clearly the income wasn't sufficient?


Do you think a bad debt fairy came down to Odsal in March and sprinkled fairy debt about the place or do you think the BOD have, over a period of years lost control of financial sensibilities. Is there nothing wrong with a club that loses £100k a month?

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Quote: SmokeyTA "Believe me, the SPL will come to regret the short-sighted decision they took there.'"



No doubt.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "Believe me, the SPL will come to regret the short-sighted decision they took there.'"


Regret it they might for a couple of years, but the integrity it displays is worth much more than the cash they will lose

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As a HKR fan I think they should go, unless a white knight comes along & pays all debts now , It would be sad to loose them as they bring a good following, but so did KR but we had to start again. It may be the best for the fans to clear the decks build from the bottom & come back stronger, we suffered in east Hull but are now reaping the rewards of building again & seeing rewards for sticking with our team, KR are not secure or able to beat the best but the signs are there & I would add that if we were stupid enough to go bust again we would deserve to be chucked out.

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Quote: Starbug "Id suggest that losing hundreds of thousands a year would come under their ' structure and governance ' , so wether they were aware of challenges is irrelivant, they were already fooked

As to what they should have done about it? , admitted it and lost their licence would have been the honorable thing, but the consequenses of that is an even bigger problem, tgat is the real problem we have, and the failing of the sport'"

You think that Bradford were losing £100's of thousands a year because of their operating structure/governance? So You think if they had a different operating structure they wouldnt have lost £100's of thousands a year then?

And i asked what operating structure/governance are you proposing would have been 'better' than the one Bradford had which you believe to be poor? Appointing some more non-execs to oversee the governance? And do you really believe this change (or whatever one you propose) would have prevented Bradfords problems?

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Quote: Starbug "Regret it they might for a couple of years, but the integrity it displays is worth much more than the cash they will lose'"


I just called my electicity supplier and tried to pay my bill with integrity......it isn't a currency icon_lol.gif they were prepared to accept.

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Quote: Beverley red "As a HKR fan I think they should go, unless a white knight comes along & pays all debts now , It would be sad to loose them as they bring a good following, but so did KR but we had to start again. It may be the best for the fans to clear the decks build from the bottom & come back stronger, we suffered in east Hull but are now reaping the rewards of building again & seeing rewards for sticking with our team, KR are not secure or able to beat the best but the signs are there & I would add that if we were stupid enough to go bust again we would deserve to be chucked out.'"


' Sticking with your team ' icon_wink.gif , so where were the other 6,000 hiding?

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Quote: littlerich "Selling season tickets for £60?
Spending £200k a month on staff costs when clearly the income wasn't sufficient?


Do you think a bad debt fairy came down to Odsal in March and sprinkled fairy debt about the place or do you think the BOD have, over a period of years lost control of financial sensibilities. Is there nothing wrong with a club that loses £100k a month?'"

No, i think the board, and the people working for Bradford made a cluster of bad decisions of a number of years which lead Bradford to be unprofitable leading to a situation where a large payment and a few unexpected bills caused administration.

I just dont think that has anything to do with P+R, franchising, or anything else. We cant legislate against clubs owners/directors running their clubs poorly. We dont run the clubs for them.

The problems Bradford face, and the situation they find themselves in is 100%, unequivocally, with no mitigations the fault of the people who own and run the Bulls.
Its not a conspiracy, its not corruption, its not down to franchising, the RFL, the Dalai Lama or anybody, its down to Bradford.

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