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Quote: bentleberry "I suggest that Wigan, Warrington, Saints, Hull, and arguably Castleford all have a stronger squad than Leeds. Add to the fact that you clearly can keep a squad with a "champion mentality" down as proven last season when they were kept down. Leeds couldn't even manage to get through the Middle 8s unbeaten - something even Hull KR managed the season before.'"


Wigan nearly got relegated in 2006. 12 months later they were 80 minutes from the GF.

Wigan, Leeds and Saints have a champion pedigree that the other clubs don't have. Warrington have knocked on the door but still aren't quite in that same bracket. Feel free to bookmark this post until next September.

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Wigan-with returning injuries and good additions, can't see past them.
Wire- good on paper apart from our average 3/4 line.
Hull- think Kelly is an excellent signing and will make a difference.
Saints- looking to retain their entertainers tag with Matty Smith and two forward signings. More additions to the club include
18000 pillows attached to the seats at Langtree Park.
Leeds- will surprise some and be there and there abouts.
Cas- looking forward to seeing them play free flowing rl with their injuries returning.

Not sure on the rest.

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RL desperately needs a Leicester , will we see one ? , hopefully , but probably not

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Quote: Gazwire "
Saints- looking to retain their entertainers tag with Matty Smith and two forward signings.
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I think Saints have lost that tag recently and I can't see Smith being the one to help them regain it.

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Quote: Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo "I think Saints have lost that tag recently and I can't see Smith being the one to help them regain it.'"


(I was just messing)

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Quote: GUBRATS "RL desperately needs a Leicester , will we see one ? , hopefully , but probably not'"


You mean like Widnes?

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Quote: Willzay "You mean like Widnes?'"


Yes , Widnes ,Cas ,Salford , less likely a Wakey or a Leigh

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Quote: ThePrinter "With the exception of one win for Widnes vs Wigan, then they, Catalans and Wakefield didn't win any other games except when they faced each other in the final 10 rounds of the season.

Yeah plenty of others had the same problem too and will again this season.

Your biggest problem is that you hardly won against the eventual top 4 in the regular season. Only 2 wins from 9 games then no wonder you weren't in touching distance. Even Leeds in all their struggles won 4 games against the top 4.

The point I was making was that beating the West Yorkshire teams mean nothing if you still fall short of winning anything or even reaching the playoffs.'"


You can point to not beating teams in the top 4 but I'd disagree.

I think not beating teams in the bottom 6 is worse. We got 4/4 from Leeds and Huddersfield, two sides you'd have not seen us getting that from at the beginning of the year.

But then we only got 1/4 from Hull KR, 0/4 from Salford, and 2/4 from Widnes. Had we managed to win at least a couple more of these then we would have been in touching distance.

You should always look to win the games you should be winning and then take points off your top 4 rivals when you can. No use beating big sides then falling against sides at the lower end of the table.

Plenty of other sides did have problems and is it no surprise that the vast majority, bar Wigan, have struggled this season. Leeds, Huddersfield, Cas all fell down the table due to not having a fit team out each week? Although it can't be entirely blamed, it is a factor in some of our results. I think we did bloody well to get where we did last year. I don't think anyone sees us beating Yorkshire sides as a massive accomplishment. But it does set a benchmark for the season now.

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Quote: ThePrinter "The finishes in the Top 8 playoff era should be taken with a pinch of salt as teams didn't really push as hard. The first time it was reduced to Top 4 playoffs we stormed to the top and kept it for most of the year.

If we lost our "fear factor", then we did alright to then win 5 of our last 6 before the split including beating the eventual CC and GF winners. Our squad is younger than two years ago so the ageing squad line is a poor one repeatively trotted out without thought and it wasn't lack of experience it was lack of a preseason.

What do fans of other clubs honestly think their teams would do if they started the season with over a months less preseason than the opposition? Can't imagine any team not struggling badly.'"


It's a poor excuse about not pushing hard. All professional sports people want to win. There may be complacency at times but I think every club goes into a season wanting to finish top of the pile. You did well in your treble winning season because it was the last one with that generation playing together, undoubtedly a factor.

By fear factor, I mean clubs don't turn up to Headingley expecting a tonking; in fact, they turn up knowing they can give you a ruddy good game. You lost 6/11 games at home: Widnes, Cas, Catalan, Hull KR, Wakefield, Warrington.

And in the games you won there was only 4 points in it v Hudds, 8 points v Salford, 2 points v Hull and 2 points v Wigan. Your most convincing win at home was v Saints with a gap of 12 points. Fact is that you got beat by 5 sides at home you would have been expected to win, and won by one score or less against many other teams.

You keep trotting out this line about loss of prep time and the timeframe keeps growing. Your own physio says you lost 2 and half weeks of training time. Not a month, not over a month. A couple of weeks. It may have had an impact sure but I think you're placing too much emphasis on it. The proof will be in the pudding this year.

As for the ageing squad, I do appreciate you have more younger members but you can't argue that your starting 17 is experienced and older.

Hall (29 later this month), Ablett (31 in Dec), McGuire (33), Burrow (34), Galloway (31), Cuthbertson (31), JJB (35), Delaney (31), Ferres (30). That's 9 all around 30, and 9 in your starting 17. Just feel like that having more older players is going to impact (more susceptible to injury) and then you're left throwing in a load of inexperienced kids again. That's why I see you mid-table. Don't think your recruitment has been anywhere near good enough.

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1 Warrington
2 Saints
3 Wigan
4 Leeds
5 Hull
6 Catalan
7 Huddersfield
8 Cas
9 Widnes
10 Wakefield
11 Leigh
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Quote: Fully "It's a poor excuse about not pushing hard. All professional sports people want to win. There may be complacency at times but I think every club goes into a season wanting to finish top of the pile. You did well in your treble winning season because it was the last one with that generation playing together, undoubtedly a factor.'"


I think the supporters of most those top teams during the years of Top 8 playoffs will disagree with you on the team's pushing as hard they could. The number 1 priority became peaking at the right time and not pushing all season long. Also I think too much is made of it being Peacock & Sinfield's last year, yes it probably was what got us over the line at then end but our form for most of the year was because we knew with the new system you had little room to mess up with only a 4 team playoffs.

Quote: Fully "By fear factor, I mean clubs don't turn up to Headingley expecting a tonking; in fact, they turn up knowing they can give you a ruddy good game. You lost 6/11 games at home

Teams have turned up at Headingley giving us good games for several years. We haven't been tonking teams for several years at home hence the final league positions that were pointed out previously.

Quote: Fully "And in the games you won there was only 4 points in it v Hudds, 8 points v Salford, 2 points v Hull and 2 points v Wigan. Your most convincing win at home was v Saints with a gap of 12 points. Fact is that you got beat by 5 sides at home you would have been expected to win, and won by one score or less against many other teams.'"


Didn't realise we had to win by a certain margin, do we get extra bonus points if we do? Teams found it hard enough to beat the likes of Hull and Wigan and now it's not good enough that we only beat them by 2 points in a year when our confidence was very low? Considering our struggles and frequent losses we were hardly going to rack up a cricket score on teams. Note some of our losses by 1, 2 and 4. So only two times we lost heavily and fancy us to be able to turn those narrow losses into wins.

Quote: Fully "You keep trotting out this line about loss of prep time and the timeframe keeps growing. Your own physio says you lost 2 and half weeks of training time. Not a month, not over a month. A couple of weeks. It may have had an impact sure but I think you're placing too much emphasis on it. The proof will be in the pudding this year.'"


We lost 2 & half weeks AFTER training started because of the floods. But we started training about 3 weeks later than normal as I mentioned earlier.....started preseason last year on 1st Dec, this year we've started on the 7th Nov. So combined the time lost it was over a month.

Quote: Fully "As for the ageing squad, I do appreciate you have more younger members but you can't argue that your starting 17 is experienced and older.

Hall (29 later this month), Ablett (31 in Dec), McGuire (33), Burrow (34), Galloway (31), Cuthbertson (31), JJB (35), Delaney (31), Ferres (30). That's 9 all around 30, and 9 in your starting 17. Just feel like that having more older players is going to impact (more susceptible to injury) and then you're left throwing in a load of inexperienced kids again. That's why I see you mid-table. Don't think your recruitment has been anywhere near good enough.'"


How many players do Cas have that are 29 or older in their team? I'd say it's about the same. If not then how come your team was as susceptible to injuries? Or the several other teams who did? At least with our senior guys they didn't have a full preseason to get properly fit and thus probably was a cause of them then picking up knocks. Someone like JJB came back in Round 5 from a bad injury in 2015 and played every game from then on in, usually large minutes. Also 30 isn't really that old in SL anymore and Leeds have been able to get the likes of Peacock, Leuluai, Sinfield out there regularly and still performing and winning into their mid-30's so they know how to deal with older guys.

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Cas fans wanna given it the whole ''leeds are done, we are the daddies now'' narrative. Leeds fans the ''it was a blip due to flooding, we'll be back''. There's no definitive basis for either argument.

My personal thought is that I think Leeds will surprise a few of the doubters, but it's not based on anything other than a hunch.

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1. Hull
2. Warrington
3. Wigan
4. Leeds
5. Leigh
6. Castleford
7. Huddersfield
8. St Helens
9. Salford
10. Widnes
11.Catalans
12. Wakefield

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If Leeds had some decent halves they'd easily finish top 4. As it is, they'll probably finish 5th or 6th.

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Quote: Brick with eyes "1. Hull
2. Warrington
3. Wigan
4. Leeds
5. Leigh
6. Castleford
7. Huddersfield
8. St Helens
9. Salford
10. Widnes
11.Catalans
12. Wakefield'"



what you smoking!? icon_biggrin.gifRUNK: lol

even as a hull fc fan, as much as id like us to finish top we wont, 2-4 would be great again

leigh 5th? lol
saints 8th!? catalan 11th

saints be top 5, catalan top 8, leigh 9th or 10th at best

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