Most clubs on the west side of Yorkshire need to get their act together always seem to be more talk than action and have been dragging their heels for years. Its gone on far too long and is a bad image for our sport.. I include Leeds in this, terrible pitch and no bad weather consideration for away fans.

Wigan, Warrington, St Helens, Salford, Hull, Hull KR, Leigh and Widnes all modern stadia for the 21st century whilst some Yorkshire stadiums are still 19th century.

Fev have an amateur football team playing there called Wakefield (even though they aren't in Wakefield) who play in the Sheffield and Hallamshire.

But yeah I can't comment on their ground because Odsal is a disgrace. The pitch is no longer championship level - there are grass verges in Bradford with traveller horses on them that in better nick - the corners are beyond a joke. The dirt track round the outside for the stock cars is horrible to look at - the players tramping over pallets to get onto the pitch and terrace is covered in it. It's the worst it's ever been now.

Personally where we are now and the size of crowds we get I'd prefer us playing at the Horsfall stadium until something more akin to a championship RL team can be sorted.

Apart from Wigan, who went bust and rent from a soccer team, all of those clubs were reliant on either direct local authority funding or in the case of Warrington and St Helens local councils who were fully behind them on inquiries and allowing enabling developments etc.

Where that hasn't been the case, particularly Wakefield MBC, the ability for clubs alone to raise the finances for significant ground redevelopment and pushing through the planning process makes it very, very difficult indeed to find a viable route to success.

So it really is silly and mindlessly partisan to suggest it's some sort of East vs West thing. This is very much a club-by-club issue, each of them seeking to progress what is possible. The active disdain of Wakefield council for years and years in helping Cas or Wakefield get new grounds or redevelop their existing ones is finally changing and we are beginning to see the sort of results clubs with more favourable local authorities have seen some time ago.

No club, even those few who effectively funded their stadium redevelopments themselves, can do much without a co-operative local council. If your council or a local soccer club has built you a ground then that's great - but it's pretty weak to use that to gloat over those who haven't been so fortunate.

That’s just lame excuses though, Superleague should go back to Framing the Future model instead of moving the goal posts because councils won’t buy into it. If that means a 10 team Superleahe to showcase our sport as professional with the correct image profile then so be it.

The thing which is absolutely fundamental to the development of stadia for every single Rugby League team, even those who are paying for it themselves, is just "lame excuses".

OK, this clearly isn't going to be a very adult discussion.

Framing the Future Model was very fundamental in its creation. We have a very similar issue with overseas players the Framing of the Future was to promote club academies to promote the game from grass roots level. The RFL and Superleague moved the goalposts on that one as well and we have around 7 overseas players at clubs, young players struggle with opportunity and we lost some Sport England funding in the process.

We can’t keep faffing about on this merry go round we are just sleep walking into obscurity with other sports.

This is just my opinion on what’s going and I will leave it at that.

That is a fundamentally different question and one totally within the control of the clubs and the RFL. I can't see any relationship at all with the matter at hand.

How long? About 105 years in the wider Wakefield district clearly.

Makes me laugh all these supporters of club that have had helping hands to get decent stadiums yet forget their holes they played out of, rugby league family indeed



I'll never show the snobbery that some do on here if we ever get this refurb done at Belle Vue

the fact you say if not when says it all.

you are only where you are because you lied as a club. other clubs who have done as asked paid the price. Its not about snobbery its about decency, and the fans of other clubs are quite right to feel aggrieved. When a trip to barrow was a much more pleasant experience regardless of how new the stadium is you should be embarrassed.

I think you need to look at both sides of the coin, many fans miss their poop holes for the better atmosphere they once generated but on the other side fans are proud of the new stadium tenure for the future.

It’s not snobbery Bell Vue has so many false dawns and must work harder, their are quite a few championship clubs that have done that, Wakey and Cas need to get their fingers out of their poop holes.

Oh dear, please try and keep up.

Do you think it was Trinity trying to delay things or would you think that the local authority had something to do with it