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| Quote oooh Gravy!="oooh Gravy!"Can't argue with that. And it's not a one off, we've shoehorned players in for years and can't think of an example where it's been justified on the pitch, and that's not slating Bateman, he tried hard he's just not a centre.'"
Yes, Bateman has just done as he has been asked. However, he’s not even the best left centre at Wigan (Gildart).
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| Before the tournament I was hoping he wasn't going to pick Tomkins at FB and move Hardaker to centre. But once the latter was ruled out he really should've picked Tomkins in his squad. Lomax ended the season injured and carried that on through the tournament.
O'Loughlin has been a very good player for England but at 35 it's time to hang up his international boots.
Interesting one is Roby, one of the older ones at 32 he probably won't make the next WC but if he carries on his form next year do you still pick him or go for younger options? I suppose that depends how well other guys push for that spot, Daryl Clark for one has gone backwards but better things are tipped for Wire this year.
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| Quote nottinghamtiger="nottinghamtiger"We are not lacking a left centre.
One with 19 try assists (more than most half backs) and 6 tries wasn’t selected in the squad.
One with 16 tries and 13 try assists watched from the sidelines.
Meanwhile, a player who hasn’t even played at centre for his club (even though they had an injury crisis in that position) was selected in that position.
The issue isn’t the lack of a left centre. The issue is a crap selection decision.'"
Do you think Shenton, or even Percival would have won the game for us?
One thing about Bateman and Hall as a centre partnership is that they were rock solid defensively.
Not too sure things would have been the same had Bennett gone with either of the other two.
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| Quote nottinghamtiger="nottinghamtiger"We are not lacking a left centre.
One with 19 try assists (more than most half backs) and 6 tries wasn’t selected in the squad.
One with 16 tries and 13 try assists watched from the sidelines.
Meanwhile, a player who hasn’t even played at centre for his club (even though they had an injury crisis in that position) was selected in that position.
The issue isn’t the lack of a left centre. The issue is a crap selection decision.'"
This. I dont believe for one minute Percival would have done any worse. A traffic cone would have contributed more in attack than Bateman did.
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| Quote Ovavoo="Ovavoo"Do you think Shenton, or even Percival would have won the game for us?
One thing about Bateman and Hall as a centre partnership is that they were rock solid defensively.
Not too sure things would have been the same had Bennett gone with either of the other two.'"
Whilst Bateman is a good defender, he did at times look like a guy defending out of position and wider out than he's used to.
Also from the opposition POV how easy would they have found it defending against our left side when everybody knew Bateman doesn't pass to his winger. A centre who has the potential to pass and create for his winger would've put more doubt into Aussie defenders minds.
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| Quote PrinterThe="PrinterThe"Before the tournament I was hoping he wasn't going to pick Tomkins at FB and move Hardaker to centre. But once the latter was ruled out he really should've picked Tomkins in his squad. Lomax ended the season injured and carried that on through the tournament.
O'Loughlin has been a very good player for England but at 35 it's time to hang up his international boots.
Interesting one is Roby, one of the older ones at 32 he probably won't make the next WC but if he carries on his form next year do you still pick him or go for younger options? I suppose that depends how well other guys push for that spot, Daryl Clark for one has gone backwards but better things are tipped for Wire this year.'"
Shaul should have been taken over lomax, he was in form, fit and deserved at least to be in the squad. I think a few other players, in other positions could make a case too I.e. Sneyd, McGuire, Ward
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| Samuel Tomkins my be playing in the halves at Wigan in 2018, because French star Morgan Escare my get the Wigan full back jersey. So Samuel may not even be considered for the Great Britain full back role.
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| Quote Ovavoo="Ovavoo"Do you think Shenton, or even Percival would have won the game for us?
One thing about Bateman and Hall as a centre partnership is that they were rock solid defensively.
Not too sure things would have been the same had Bennett gone with either of the other two.'"
Shenton missed less tackles per game than Bateman in 2017 and he had the disadvantage of defending inside Greg Eden.
He’s always been known as a defensive centre and his attacking game has only really come on in the last couple of years under Powell.
As someone who watches him regularly, I think he’s the key to Cas’ successful left edge. The lines he runs stand defenders up and get them biting on the inside, giving the opportunity for the link between the half back, full back and winger that has proven so successful for Castleford.
With Shenton at centre, I don’t think we would have lost anything defensively and we would have gained more attacking threat.
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| Quote JEAN CAPDOUZE="JEAN CAPDOUZE"Samuel Tomkins my be playing in the halves at Wigan in 2018, because French star Morgan Escare my get the Wigan full back jersey. So Samuel may not even be considered for the Great Britain full back role.'"
As you well know, not playing a particular position does not prevent a player being selected there for England/GB.
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| Quote Ovavoo="Ovavoo"Do you think Shenton, or even Percival would have won the game for us?
One thing about Bateman and Hall as a centre partnership is that they were rock solid defensively.
Not too sure things would have been the same had Bennett gone with either of the other two.'"
They may have been rock solid as a partnership, but you lose so much attacking threat down that side with Bateman at centre, because he doesn't pass the ball and/or create any options for Hall. Hall was pretty much a passenger for most of the tournament and therefore all of our attack has to come down the other side - hence all the tries McGillvary scored and the metres he made compared to Hall.
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| Is Zachary Hardaker serving a long term ban for his drug taking? If not, he could be considered for full back, with Gareth Widdop and Samuel Tomkins playing in the halves.
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| Quote nottinghamtiger="nottinghamtiger"Shenton missed less tackles per game than Bateman in 2017 and he had the disadvantage of defending inside Greg Eden.
He’s always been known as a defensive centre and his attacking game has only really come on in the last couple of years under Powell.
As someone who watches him regularly, I think he’s the key to Cas’ successful left edge. The lines he runs stand defenders up and get them biting on the inside, giving the opportunity for the link between the half back, full back and winger that has proven so successful for Castleford.
With Shenton at centre, I don’t think we would have lost anything defensively and we would have gained more attacking threat.'"
I'd have gone with Shenton too. Think he's a much better defender than some on here give him credit for and also has the experience of defending next to Gale so would've been a understanding there.
If you were on the Aussie right wing/centre who would you rather face? A guy out of position that never gets the ball to the winger or a guy who knows the position inside out and proven can pass and create for his winger?
Would anybody really prefer to face the latter over the former?
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