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| Genuine Ashes tours have been impossible since the English and Australian seasons started running concurrently in 1996. You can't have GB or Australia touring the other during their season and playing clubs as well as three tests anymore, so you don't get the same interest. The 1997 "Super League" series wasn't a patch on the tours that had gone before, and by 2003 everyone knew it was finished. The current set up with games against both Australia and New Zealand is a better option now the classic tours can't be recreated in the way they used to be.
I do think series like the Tri/Four Nations should be contested by GB rather than England though. The GB team is a bigger part of RL heritage. Have a European Nations tournament with Scotland, Ireland, Wales, France and a young England team run separately with games at smaller grounds. If the big tournament is in this country have double/triple headers with those games as warm ups for the main event - eg a Saturday at Wembley featuring Wales V Ireland at noon, England V Scotland at 2.30pm and GB V Australia at 5pm. Make the England team and u23s or brand them as "England A" or whatever if you like. Just make it clear that those teams are all development sides and the ultimate aim of all players from the individual home nations sides is to make it into the Great Britain test team.
Play the other European Nations games at realistic (small RL heartland) venues, and obviously keep them up here in the years when the test side are down under.
In my opinion that's the best way to go.
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| Quote i hate pies="i hate pies"A game against Australia at the etihad we should easily sell out imo'"
GB V Aus didn't sell out there in 2004 and the capacity was lower than it is now.
Elland Road is the one.
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| Quote Muggins="Muggins"But England played Australia there on Sunday and only 35000 people turned up, and I'd bet a fair few of those travelled down from the north. I honestly can't see how playing three games in London in the space of a month or so is ever going to be a realistic proposition.
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35000 is a decent crowd considering it's a Sunday and the fact it's never organised or pushed very well.
As I said, make the Olympic Stadium the effective "home" of England RL and build on it. The reason the Union lot get 80k at Twickers is because they've built a brand and a big part of that is the repeated games in one location. A national stadium in an important and highly populated part of the country. Not only does it allow you to build crowds, being in London builds profile and recognition as it gets to the people who make the decisions in potential sponsors and the media in a way playing in Huddersfield or even Manchester will never do.
Repeated games, organised well in advance with a guarantee of games again in the near future is the way forward. A piecemeal approach will never work.
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| Ashes series?
Tagged on at the end of a Stupor League season as an afterthought?
No thanks.
The hugely successful Ashes died when it could no longer be scheduled accordingly. The domestic switch to Sky Sports empty summer scheduling murdered it.
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| I don't see the clamour for a series of midweek games played between two sets of fringe reserve players?
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| Quote Him="Him"I'd be very tempted to try all 3 at the Olympic Stadium. Try and make it England RL's international home ground.'"
It's a bad stadium, and taking all 3 games away from your fan base surely isn't going to work?
I'd go for opener in London, one in Manchester, one in Leeds or Newcastle.
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| Quote It's a bad stadium, and taking all 3 games away from your fan base surely isn't going to work?'"
In what way is the Olympic stadium a bad stadium?
I thought it was a brilliant stadium.
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| If we are going to have an Ashes series, and i would really hope one could be sorted soon, then i two warm up tests against France and Scotland followed by the three tests against the Aussies. Give the Aussies the French too as a warm up the weekend we play Scotland.
I would play the first test at OT second at Headingley and third at Anfield. I think if well marketed (ha, unlikely i know) we could get 60k plus for OT, fill Headingley and depending on whether the series was still alive 35k to a full house for Anfield.
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| Game 1- Etihad
Game 2- Emirates (Arsenal)
Game 3- Old Trafford
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| Quote Psychedelic Casual="Psychedelic Casual"Game 1- Etihad
Game 2- Emirates (Arsenal)
Game 3- Old Trafford'"
I'd go Newcastle, elland road, olé Trafford
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| Quote Muggins="Muggins"But England played Australia there on Sunday and only 35000 people turned up, and I'd bet a fair few of those travelled down from the north. I honestly can't see how playing three games in London in the space of a month or so is ever going to be a realistic proposition.
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I agree and I went Sunday nice ground but if they have one more game do not do it on a sunday shops shut and my wife was not happy 
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| Quote wire-quin="wire-quin"In what way is the Olympic stadium a bad stadium?
I thought it was a brilliant stadium.'"
Atmosphere was terrible last year against NZ, sat miles away from the pitch, pain to get to, not much nearby. Basically didn't enjoy it!
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