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| Quote NSW="NSW"Matty Smith + George Williams in the halves we'd win the game IMO.'"
You are talking utter poo.... Matty Smith should be nowhere near the squad and rightly so, shocking player and very over rated, i have never seen him have a excellent game. He always looks as though he is just going through the motions.
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| Quote Roy Haggerty="Roy Haggerty"Player performances
Lomax - mostly fine, but will justly have nightmares about that horrible missed tackle. Looked lively, but lacked support when he took on the line.
McGilvray - Our MoM for me. Looked committed and keen. Good tackling, solid runs.
Watkins - Picking on past form has occasionally worked, but Watkins is continuing the shocking, disinterested form of his Leeds season. Needs to be dropped.
Sarginson - Nowhere near the player he was two seasons ago. Along with Watkins, the weakest part of the team. At least one needs to change.
Hall - Anonymous first half. Much better the second half. Needs to come in more like he used to do for Leeds.
Widdop - lovely touch for Hall's try, and great goalkicking. But he seems incapable of creating anything much.
Gale - I was disappointed with Gale. He's such a mercurial halfback, and I fully supported his inclusion in the side. But that was not an influential performance.
Graham - as normal. Should have been captain.
Hill - seemed to be determined to offload no mater what early on, but looked effective. I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would prefer the Burgess twins to him
Hodgson - nice touches. Like watching a young James Roby with a better short-kicking game.
Sam Burgess - Not a captain. Looked a bit knackered towards the end. Don't make him think. Just let him run and hit people.
Burgess twins - Big, largely pudding-like performances. Not sure what they added which a range of English props couldn't have done.
Bateman - not the first guy who rips it up in SL, only to be found too small for a forward in international rugby league. Dominated, and died with the ball far too often.
Whitehead - did bits. Didn't stand out. But didn't cock up badly either.
Cooper - see Whitehead
Clark - didn't get on early enough, and when he did run, the England forwards were too knackered to go with him.
Tactics
Just a bit boring. Classic Bennett, in that it was all about territory. I didn't see any obvious plays which looked like training paddock jobs.
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Forwards did their bit. But the halves didn't direct effectively, or threaten the line. The wingers offer potential, but until we solve England's decades-old problem of having no centres who can perform internationally, our wingers will be starved of ball. Lomax was steady, but while his crafty attacking play might work at Saints in SL, we need a bigger, faster fullback to add genuine threat to the backline. Not much brainpower in the England side, as we saw in the final couple of sets. A real lack of direction about the pitch. Needs a mature brain like Brown for that.
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I'd drop Lomax for Ratchford, who's faster. I'd lose Sarginson AND Watkins for Percival and Ward. Brown should replace Widdop or Gale (but Bennett isn't going to drop an NRL player, so it'll be Gale). Pick a Burgess twin, and swap him for Taylor.
I don't see us beating the Aussies unless they have a very bad day. Ho-hum. Another false dawn.'"
Two of Kiwis tries came from errors by Graham - maybe you need to take those red fee glasses off
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| Quote silver2="silver2"I'm amazed at how much messing about at the play the ball they were allowed to get away with. If a SL side had tried that they would have been yellow carded so why we're NZ able to get away with it?'"
Absolutely bang on.
Very poor policing of the ruck by Hicks, the Kiwis were getting away with murder.
Ultimately the game could have been drawn
2 excellent positions to set up a drop goal, the first one blown by spilling possession (which should have been a warning) and then the Burgess through the legs forward pass, when we could have set up the DG.
NZ end f set plays certainly left us with heaps of defence and generally we coped well with that but, they just about deserved the win.
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| Quote tigerman1231="tigerman1231"You are talking utter poo.... Matty Smith should be nowhere near the squad and rightly so, shocking player and very over rated, i have never seen him have a excellent game. He always looks as though he is just going through the motions.'"
A drop goal would have been kicked though, did Gale even play?
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| The only time Gale was allowed any input in the game was when England were roughly on the half way line and he had to put the hanging kick up. everything was orchestrated through widdop which he didn't get everything right aand lead to us being very 1 dimensional . We had 2 golden opportunities to draw the game but utterly shambolic game management cost us. We could have easily lived to fight another day but got what a deserved.
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| Again as I've witnessed for the best part of 40 years , we stood and admired rather than getting in their faces , at one point I thought they were going to start applauding them
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| Quote GUBRATS="GUBRATS"Again as I've witnessed for the best part of 40 years , we stood and admired rather than getting in their faces , at one point I thought they were going to start applauding them'"
That particularly applied to Johnson.
I think the gushing praise from the commentators was shared by some of our guys
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| Did I hear the commentator say something about Watkins being arguably the second best centre in the world, he isn't the second best centre in white.
Did Gale play?
Why did Sam think he could pull of tricks only Johnson could pull off. Just run forward let the playmakers do the tricks
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| I thought we played well, very well at times. A drop goal from one of the very best players in the world was the difference.
I don't know why everyone has to act like we've been hammered and try to find the faults in everything.
The truth is they ended sets better because they have the best short kicker of the ball I've ever seen play this sport and he was composed when taking the DG. We've probably not produced a better half back with the kicking game of Johnson in 121 years of this sport so calling for others (who are inferior players) to come in for Widdop and Gake and calling for new centres is just stupid!
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| Glad we've sorted this years scapegoat nice and early anyway!
On Watkins, he was no where near as bad as is being made out, I notice his defense isn't being questioned, thats because he kept his opposite number quiet. As has been said Watkins needs early ball or kate ball in space, it was also a bit criminal widdop passed to bateman with watkins in the clear at the end.
Overall it was a bit disappointing butee did lack direction, date I say it - we need a Sinfield type player in there!
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"Two of Kiwis tries came from errors by Graham - maybe you need to take those red fee glasses off'"
The Red Vee glasses which had me suggesting Lomax should be dropped? Those ones? You do know Graham hasn't played for Saints for half a decade, right?
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| We won the second half though.
We may have lost the battle, but not the war.
Regards, salesman Kev.
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