So, anyone with a different opinion to you is a simpleton? You're an idiot.

Not at all but the questions are quite obvious to understand

I see calling refs about there decisions is a matter of opinion. But being personal about about a ref isn't aceptable so simpleton I think you may find your the idiot or the one who hides behind his keyboard or who shouts on the terraces but in real life runs away at the first hint of trouble.

Clown.

Haha, Christ almighty what on Earth are you whittering on about?

Brain dead

imbecile

If the match officials are having to tell the players how to play, then what chance is there?
It's ALWAYS the players who are the problem yet it's just like the emporours new clothes with far too many.
I wish the match officials kept quiet and only were heard when explaining the "correct " decision. It may take a while but being constantly penalised may force the players to read and Understand the rules and the coaches, and perhaps even some fans but that is a step too far perhaps

It's not ALWAYS the players. It would be if the rules were applied consistently in every game but that's not the case. That probably isn't even possible. The game is very fast and requires "interpretation", for want of a better word, but that interpretation can require discussion and explanation. Also, there is the obvious situation of where a player may be offside, if the ref tells him then this can enable a better situation for both the attacking team and the game as a whole, so it would seem reasonable in that situation for there to be communication.

As I said, some can be cut down but most is fairly necessary for an incredibly fast game to be played at that speed.

The one good thing about the refs mic is that you get to hear which refs have the better communication/banter with the players. It shows you that Thaler is miles ahead of someone like Child in that department.

I see school is out for the summer coming on hear to say the ref is too vocal i have heard it all now if you dont like dont listen or are you

Yes, people should know better than to voice an opinion on here.
It just wouldn't be the same without a good old hollering of "MOOOOOVE" approx 300 times per game.

But that's an issue with the ref being mic'd up and Sky/BBC having the audio on all game rather than the game itself isn't it?

I share the view that refs are doing too much coaching during a game - some seem to favour an ongoing dialogue about ruck-speed, on-side etc, rather than just penalising infringements; and the new one is shouting out the reason they *haven't* given a penalty, such as "trapped" or "you're diving forward," which I guess is an inevitable consequence of the new fashion for certain players to constantly appeal for penalties - they feel pressured to justify themselves.

The real issue however, is the volume their microphones are set to for the broadcast audio; it would be interesting to hear them talk to players after penalties and incidents, but since the massive posse of people involved in commentary always talk over them anyway, it would probably work best if Sky just reduced the volume.

My only beef is when the referees get too over familiar with certain players

"Sam, don't get involved"
"Well done Sam"
"Thanks Sam"

all from the Saints Wigan game a couple of weeks ago.

I hate referees using players nicknames. On Friday the referree was telling Tag (Scott Taylor) to get off the tackled player. Should be first names

After the Ganson incident, yelling "Sprogger" at Stuart Spruce, they were told to use first names.

The psychology behind adjudicating/officating sport is actually very important. The way it is currently done as mentioned by the OP is actually allowing the sport to deteriorate further as a spectacle and encourages the players to push the boundaries of what is acceptable within the rules. No other sport in the world are the rules coached by the officials in the way RL is and by doing so the RFL show themselves up to be yet again complete tools at not understanding what is required to keep players/coaches in check.

That the game is fast flowing does not require the ref to tell players X, if the players are not making those errors deliberately or otherwise because it's not drummed into them to do so by coaches then the ref by definition does not have to remind them.
Watch old matches back, the ref doesn't have to tell the players to stand onside, he doesn't have to tell the tacklers to move, if a player is offside then the ref penalises it, the player then doesn't encroach again or is less likely too, you change the way the player thinks and so control how players behave through the way you officiate. As others have said and we've been down this route before, penalise the crap out of everyone then when the players learn they can't get away with it they won't infringe as much, it's called behavioural modification*

It's basically the same as speeding in motorvehicles, have a lesser chance of being caught then people will push the boundaries with their speed, if you are left thinking you will be caught and are in fact penalised again and again and again then you're less likely to speed/modify the way you act.

*B.F. Skinner, is known as the “Father of Behaviorism.”, developed a theory of operant conditioning, which states that all behavior is governed by reinforcing and punishing stimuli.

MOOOOOOOOOOOOVE, HOOOOOLD, GO

Which is a different argument to that of the refs being vocal. Union ref's are just as vocal, they are constantly telling players to get out of a ruck, get their hands off the ball, to stay onside or that they're out of play etc etc. It's just not as obvious.

As I said earlier there's some calls from the ref that can go, the Move call, the "hold" and "go" calls could go. There's no need for the hold and go calls, it's up to the players to see when the play the ball has started and to move up. The move call isn't necessary either as its up to the players to get off a tackled player, however we do need to ensure the players know when the tackle has been called. This would be massively helped by a 2nd ref who would be a lot closer to the tackle.

As others have said, some of the unnecessary "no penalties" chat can go, although communication between the ref and players is fine if there's a particular issue.

Yes the refs were less vocal in the past but there was also an awful lot of stuff going unpenalised/unnoticed by the refs too. A massive amount of offsides and dodgy play the balls for instance.
So if we want the refs more involved we've got to expect more noise from them.

Really the issue is that Sky/BBC have the refs mic audio on when it's not necessary.

Easy. Turn off the ref's microphone when the game is underway and then restore it when he's explaining a decision. It won't annoy anyone then.

As a former player I welcomed a vocal referee. Ones that are quiet end up having to blow up more as players are unaware they're in danger of infringing. I had more confidence in a ref that was able to make himself heard and kept the advice up as he went along.

Well put, sir !

I disagree that the Move call can go, if we get rid of that, how will players know when to get off a tackled man? There's no set time, and it already varies depending on which ref.

Agree on the onside wait call though.

And my big thing at the minute is the markers square and moving off the mark. If there moving off the mark penalise them. If their not square penalise them. Wed have a much cleaner ruck for it. Instead of what we have now, which is a mess and constant short 10's as the ref compensates for letting the player move off the mark.

This!
Absolutely spot on, I am the point now where i really don't enjoy the coverage anymore but still watch out of loyalty to the sport i guess.
That and the play acting and wrestling is just slowly draining any enjoyment for the game.

Same as it always used to be, the ref calls held, or the tackle number and you then get off the tackled player before he penalises you, this whole hanging on and wrestling stuff is awful and it should be wiped out of the game, the responsibility then falls on the tacklers and defensive line to get set as best they can to avoid getting caught out.