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| Quote Mr Churchill="Mr Churchill"
Rugby League needs a pyramid structure whereby any club can see a route to the top (as with Soccer in this country). For example, during the successful World Cup match in Bristol last night we heard about the fantastic development of the Bristol Sonics club over the last five years. The people involved there need to see that if they continue to do everything right successive promotions could see them reach Super League in the [inext[/i five years.
As regards the top of structure, the 2 leagues of 12 (Super League 1 and Super League 2) splitting into 3 8's at the business end of the season is something that should be adopted and retained long term. Note that most people think that the middle eight will result in the 4 that came down from SL 1 ending up at the top - so that it will be the same 12 teams that start in SL1 the next season - with effectively no-one promoted. But that's not the point - there is the PROSPECT of promotion through to the top - if earned on the field. And that is what will allow Rugby League to grow and prosper at every level in the pyramid.'"
The old days where there was automatically 4 up 4 down every season was a mistake. That mistake has been learned. The new 2 x 12 / 3 x 8 will be fantastic for the game once it is introduced and beds down over the years. As I said, unlike the old days of automatic 4 up, 4 down, the new structure [icould[/i mean there is in practice nobody promoted or relegated for years - but that's not the point.
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| Beds down over the years! Oh you do make us LAFF!
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| Quote Him="Him"How does 2 ten team leagues increase the player pool?'"
500 FT players as opposed to 350, seems like an increase to me
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| Quote Nostradamus's lad="Nostradamus's lad"500 FT players as opposed to 350, seems like an increase to me'"
if you have 350 pro players and 150 part time players, and you make those 500 ft players you havent increased The player pool at all. You have just paid some a bit more. The increase in the player pool comes from the very very bottom. We could have a professional team representing all 11k parishes in the UK (and im sure some would see that as ideal) but if we don’t increase the number of players at youth level graduating through every level up to pro our player pool doesn’t increase at all.
Our player pool isnt the number of pro-players we have, it’s the number of players we have to pick pro-players from.
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| Quote Nostradamus's lad="Nostradamus's lad"500 FT players as opposed to 350, seems like an increase to me'"
But how would they be full time if they're not at the moment? Are there 6 clubs currently outside SL that can sustain entirely full time squads? Plus the spending on facilities, coaching and sports science etc to make being full time worthwhile?
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| How about a similar idea to the nfl - have say Wigan vs Warrington played in Bristol or Huddersfield vs Leeds in Cumbria. Wembley sells out for nfl and lets face it no-one really went to see the Jags did they! A couple of big games in a few different cities could help bring in new fans
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| Quote How about a similar idea to the nfl - have say Wigan vs Warrington played in Bristol or Huddersfield vs Leeds in Cumbria. Wembley sells out for nfl and lets face it no-one really went to see the Jags did they! A couple of big games in a few different cities could help bring in new fans'"
This is the 'On the Road' fixture in the schedule. A chosen development area to get a game every week, bringing in supporters from established clubs and allowing local interested people to see top-level RL on a regular basis. Held at the same ground, locals could buy a 'Season Ticket' for a vastly reduced price, giving them a game of RL to go to every Weekend.
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| I said last season when the RFL took that 600k from Bradford that we should have taken that money and put in to a pot and used that pot to put on some big ‘event’ games. Take Leeds V Bradford rent out Elland Road. The RFL guarantee Leeds whatever that game would have made at headingley, pay for the rent of Elland Road out of that pot, spend a bit marketing it, and sell it out.
So for instance. Leeds would get about 18k at Headingley, so lets say each fan spends an average of £20 on ticket and merchandise. That’s £360k the RFL guarantee for Leeds Rhinos. We then spend £100k renting Elland Road and spend £140k marketing the absolute hell out of it in Leeds. Total Spend £600k.
We sell out at Elland road so that’s 38k with that same £20 average per fan we bring back in £760k. The £600k outlay from the RFL is paid back in to that pot, along with half of the extra £160k profit made with Leeds and Bradford splitting the other half. That means the ‘event pot’ is now worth £680k. That £680k is then used for to put on the Hull KR hull Derby at St James’s Park and try and do the same thing, Saints v Wigan and Anfield, Cas v Wakefield at Bramall Lane
We do 6 games per year, each club loses one home game every 2 years, done on different weeks over the summer as the only game played that week. Best case scenario we have a self-perpetuating central pot for putting on these event games and marketing the game in general.
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| Don't you have to factor in the effect of season ticket purchases? It's not just a matter of saying 18k x £20 is it?
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| Quote BartonFlyer="BartonFlyer"Don't you have to factor in the effect of season ticket purchases? It's not just a matter of saying 18k x £20 is it?'" Yeah but that will work both ways in that would be income the RFL wouldnt need to remiburse the income from those ticket sales as the club would already have them as part of season ticket sales. THere would also be issues regarding concession sales and the logistics of how we would cost that out, each stadium is likely to be a little different (some wouldnt make a charge but take the concession income, some would rent out the whole stadium and you take the concessions)
I wasnt really trying to put too much detail in to it. Just more put the principle across.
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| I think the principle is a good one - I think it's pretty unlikely that existing stadia can grow attendances organically, after all most have been trying for years! So the idea of some BIG events at different venues that already have their own regular attendees, coupled with some imaginative and well targeted marketing campaigns must be worth a try.
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| I'd have a normal league structure but have a play-off between the bottom Super League side and the team that finishes top of the second flight, by doing that the likes of Sheffield, Featherstone and many other Championship clubs would surely raise their standards so they can beat Super League teams and it also gives the Super League team the chance to prove whether they are good enough to be in the top flight. It also gives us an exciting end of season game that people will want to see. I have mentioned this idea a lot but nobody ever responds to it.
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