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| Quote Saddened!="Saddened!"Without the Sky money Rugby League would no longer be a professional sport. Several of the teams in SL would go out of business completely including some of the big names and the entire sport would be forced to cut costs drastically. The NL would become even more irrelevant as they wouldn't get any money either.
The end of the Sky deal is pretty much doomsday.'"
We dont have much to lose anyway , so the loss of SKY would have little to no effect on the clubs outside SL , personally I doubt the value of the TV coverage that we currently get
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"But that would only apply to the clubs featured , so the big clubs , the ones on the TV all the time would grow strong , but the rest would suffer badly'"
The RFL have to be in charge of the alocation of games on a fair basis & gate revenues would have to be shared out from a central pot. Also the salary cap has to stay.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"why would they want to invest more money in sports?
The problem is, built into the price Sky pay is a premium for their content to be exclusive, this is how they get subscriptions, if they lose this exclusivity of this content, then they wont pay that premium and as such the value of the rights will drop'"
You're looking at it purely from Sky as one entity (content+delivery company) what ofcom are proposing would still allow Sky to be an exclusive content provider, just make them offer the content to other delivery providers at a fixed fair cost (it would still be Sky branded content).
BT had to do exactly the same thing in reverse - it owned at the time the only delivery platform (and still the largest by far until we see how LTE takes off in this country next year), and was forced to wholesale the delivery to other content providers. It's just the other side of the same coin and the way competition laws work.
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| Quote Steve Ella's Beard="Steve Ella's Beard"You're looking at it purely from Sky as one entity (content+delivery company) what ofcom are proposing would still allow Sky to be an exclusive content provider, just make them offer the content to other delivery providers at a fixed fair cost (it would still be Sky branded content).'"
but you may not need a Sky subscription to access, which is the issue
if i dont need to pay to subscribe to Sky to watch RL, why would i still pay Sky to watch RL?
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| I think the RFL make some good points in that report. Sky are accused of a monopoly but they took the risks years ago when the rights were cheap. They invested in football and rugby league massively and made them the sports they are today. It's not there fault competitors have over spent and collapsed. First ITV Digital then Setanta. I can't see how Sky can be blamed for the collapse of Setanta. They both clearly over spent on football and it failed massively.
Without Sky our sport would have collapsed completly. We'd have gone back to how it was in the late 70s/early 80s with 4,000 crowds being regular at places like Central Park and Knowsley Road with league games probably only being covered on a regional basis. Without Sky Wigan would have gone under as well in the late 90s and they probably wouldn't have been the only club.
Having said that Sky have always been crafty in giving themselves an edge. For a long time they denied Sky Sports Xtra to Cable viewers and put Football League and Champions League games on that channel so they missed out. I remember a Wigan v Saints derby was aired on that channel in 2002 which left Cable viewers missing out. They only got that channel in the end because Sky's new edge is exclusive HD.
What OFCOM should look it is that the consumer can't just buy Sky Sports from Sky. You have to buy a load of basically repeat channels as well.
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| The championship would go amateur and most of the SL would be semi pro.
Leeds, Wire, Wigan and Hull would probably be alright off the top of my head but costs would be cut massively.
This has to be stopped.
As soon as sky rights go, our sky in our house go, same for a lot of people i reckon
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"but you may not need a Sky subscription to access, which is the issue
if i dont need to pay to subscribe to Sky to watch RL, why would i still pay Sky to watch RL?'"
You will still pay for it, they're not proposing that it will be free to air - Sky will still get the money, but via wholesale rather than direct subscriber.
You don't need to pay to subscribe to Sky to watch RL at the moment, if you live in the right area you can pay to Virgin instead for the same channel - currently Virgin get dicked by Sky in the amount they are charged.
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| Quote Steve Ella's Beard="Steve Ella's Beard"You will still pay for it, they're not proposing that it will be free to air - Sky will still get the money, but via wholesale rather than direct subscriber.
You don't need to pay to subscribe to Sky to watch RL at the moment, if you live in the right area you can pay to Virgin instead for the same channel - currently Virgin get dicked by Sky in the amount they are charged.'"
Touche.
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| Quote Bilko="Bilko"
What OFCOM should look it is that the consumer can't just buy Sky Sports from Sky. You have to buy a load of basically repeat channels as well.'"
This is very true, and could possibly happen with the threat of Sky being forced to wholesale the channels.
One thing is for sure, Sky won't magically change anything unless they feel their under pressure to do something or be legislated against.
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| I just have a problem with the whole idea of taking from those who have earned their place in the market and giving it to those who haven't. As the RFL point out, all they are trying to do is punish the proactive and creative media company in favour of those that aren't investing and aren't producing anything.
Sky is successful because Sky has the best channels. They were put there by Sky investing money into it. IMO it's unfair to give two bob media companies better access to something for less money just because they haven't got the skills to be there in the first place.
This is the reason I've never been with Virgin. All the best channels have the word Sky in front of them. Sky Sports, Sky Sports News, Sky News, Sky One, Sky Movies. Why should I pay Virgin to watch them, what have they done to earn the money? Balls all. Are OFCOM suggesting the likes of Virgin, BT, ESPN etc don't have the money to compete?
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| Quote Dico="Dico"The championship would go amateur and most of the SL would be semi pro.
Leeds, Wire, Wigan and Hull would probably be alright off the top of my head but costs would be cut massively.
This has to be stopped.
As soon as sky rights go, our sky in our house go, same for a lot of people i reckon'"
NO , why would losing nothing revenue wise affect the Championships , what exactly do you think we currently get ?
I'm not saying it would be a good thing and unlike Maurice i dont want it to happen , but it wouldn't make a ripple in the finances of non SL clubs
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| Quote Saddened!="Saddened!"I just have a problem with the whole idea of taking from those who have earned their place in the market and giving it to those who haven't. As the RFL point out, all they are trying to do is punish the proactive and creative media company in favour of those that aren't investing and aren't producing anything.
Sky is successful because Sky has the best channels. They were put there by Sky investing money into it. IMO it's unfair to give two bob media companies better access to something for less money just because they haven't got the skills to be there in the first place.
This is the reason I've never been with Virgin. All the best channels have the word Sky in front of them. Sky Sports, Sky Sports News, Sky News, Sky One, Sky Movies. Why should I pay Virgin to watch them, what have they done to earn the money? Balls all. Are OFCOM suggesting the likes of Virgin, BT, ESPN etc don't have the money to compete?'"
Again the lines are blurring between Content production and Content delivery - the media world has increasingly and will continue to move towards separation of the two, Sky themselves actively want to do this, their strategy is not to keep the content exclusive to their delivery platform, rather to control and squeeze the most out of all the other delivery providers - that's why OFCOM have started to look at it.
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