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| Quote Andy Gilder="Andy Gilder"A bunch of cricket score routs, 3 entirely predictable semi-finalists (England, NZ, Australia) and probably the French getting through after the RFL offer them the chance to have home advantage just to draw some decent crowds.
IMO the super group format is worth persisting with - just swap PNG out for one of the Pacific Island nations made up entirely of second generation Aussies/Kiwis.'"
You really have a problem with rugby league don't you! 
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I agree with the super pool concept, but I do npt agree with the qualifiers playing number 1...
"yeah fellas, proved yourself to be best of the rest, now test yourself againt Australia...."
If, and last time was Fiji, you prove to be the best of the minnows, your benchmark should be number 4, not number 1. Also witht he last format, the outcome of the superpool was to only play t avoid coming 4th.
For this world cup, especially with France, Wales and some of the PI's looking to improve, I'd do something like this (qualifiers are hypothetical)
Super Group (best 3 sides from the last world cup plus the host nation, England)
Australia
NZ
England
Fiji
(A-I) Double header to open world cup @ London (Wembley) - Aus vs Eng, NZ vs Fiji
(A-II) Aus vs NZ @ London (Stoop)
(A-III) Eng vs Fiji @ Hull (KC)
(A-IV) Aus vs Fiji @ Leeds (Headingley)
(A-V) Eng vs NZ @ Manchester (C.o.M)
Group B
France
Wales
Tonga
Lebanon
France and Wales stacked together to give 3 pool games each
(B-I) France vs Wales @ Paris (That 12,000 seater)
(B-II) Tonga vs Lebanon @ Brigend
(B-III) France vs Tonga @ Perpignan
(B-IV) Wales vs Lebanon @ Brigend
(B-V) France vs Lebanon @ Toulouse
(B-VI) Wales vs Tonga @ Swansea
Group C
PNG
Ireland
Samoa
USA
Games for heartlands, + one token game for Ireland
(C-I) PNG vs Ireland @ Belfast
(C-II) Samoa vs USA @ Warrington
(C-III) PNG vs Samoa @ Wigan (JJB)
(C-IV) Ireland vs USA @ St Helens
(C-V) PNG vs USA @ Leeds (Headingley)
(C-VI) Ireland vs Samoa @ Huddersfield
Then quarter finals
Q1 3rd Super pool vs winner group B
Q2 4th Super pool vs winner group C
Bye - 1st and 2nd from super pool
(QF1) England vs France/Wales @ Wigan (JJB)
(QF2) Fiji vs PNG @ Huddersfield
Semi finals
SF1 - 1st Super pool vs winner QF2
SF2 - 2nd Super pool vs winner QF1
(SF1) Australia vs PNG @ Hull (KC)
(SF2) NZ vs England @ Manchester (C.o.M)
Final
Winner SF1 vs WInner SF2
(F) Australia vs NZ @ Manchester (Old Trafford)
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| I do like the look of that format, especially giving Ireland a game in Belfast 
3 groups of 4 would give everyone a good number of games and could still be followed by play offs to decide who finishs where . I think a third place play off would be great especially if it gave some incentive for more internationals against the bigger nations after the world cup. |
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| Quote Ashulster="Ashulster"I do like the look of that format, especially giving Ireland a game in Belfast
3 groups of 4 would give everyone a good number of games and could still be followed by play offs to decide who finishs where . I think a third place play off would be great especially if it gave some incentive for more internationals against the bigger nations after the world cup.'"
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Not a big fan of the super pool. The games in that group seemed a waste of time after the first game when we beat PNG, it took the edge off the games where the big teams played. Plus I think people are too scared of big scorelines. The international calendar is sp as it is, and normal pool groups will give more the players the chance to play against the top teams which I think they will deserve after qualifying. Give it five or 6 WC's with them been exposed and I think you will see a massive improvement from this WC and then one in 6 Cups time. It's all about slowly developing the competition
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| Quote Catalancs="Catalancs"But isn't Ulster the only part of Ireland without rugby league?'"
N.I has just had a small league comp iirc |
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| Quote The Key="The Key"N.I has just had a small league comp iirc'"
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Quote The Key="The Key"Not a big fan of the super pool. The games in that group seemed a waste of time after the first game when we beat PNG, it took the edge off the games where the big teams played. Plus I think people are too scared of big scorelines. The international calendar is sp as it is, and normal pool groups will give more the players the chance to play against the top teams which I think they will deserve after qualifying. Give it five or 6 WC's with them been exposed and I think you will see a massive improvement from this WC and then one in 6 Cups time. It's all about slowly developing the competition'"
How about having the twelve teams put into groups according to their ranking?
This would work with three groups of four or four groups of three.
Group 1: nation ranked 1st, ranked 4th, ranked 7th and ranked 10th
Group 2: nation ranked 2nd, ranked 5th, ranked 8th and ranked 11th
Group 3: nation ranked 3rd, ranked 6th, ranked 9th and ranked 12th |
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| Quote Catalancs="Catalancs"But isn't Ulster the only part of Ireland without rugby league?'"
4 team league started this year and bit of talk about an Ulster rep side. |
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| Quote Ashulster="Ashulster"4 team league started this year and bit of talk about an Ulster rep side.'"
So that means rugby league is played in all four provinces?
A four province tournament would be a good way to end the domestic season. Could even be used as trials for the Ireland Team. |
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| Quote Catalancs="Catalancs"So that means rugby league is played in all four provinces?
A four province tournament would be a good way to end the domestic season. Could even be used as trials for the Ireland Team.'"
Not sure if a team from Connacht played at all this year but development officers have been appointed for each province so hopefully when 2013 rolls around there will be more playing the game and interested so that a WC game could be staged here. |
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| Quote Catalancs="Catalancs"Good news
How about having the twelve teams put into groups according to their ranking?
This would work with three groups of four or four groups of three.
Group 1: nation ranked 1st, ranked 4th, ranked 7th and ranked 10th
Group 2: nation ranked 2nd, ranked 5th, ranked 8th and ranked 11th
Group 3: nation ranked 3rd, ranked 6th, ranked 9th and ranked 12th'"
That wouldnt work seeing as the 2nd and 3rd ranks have an easier group than the 1st rank, and also the 12th rank has an easy group than the 10th and 11th rank etc.
For me the teams should be split up into pots based on location and then have the draw |
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| Quote The Key="The Key"That wouldnt work seeing as the 2nd and 3rd ranks have an easier group than the 1st rank, and also the 12th rank has an easy group than the 10th and 11th rank etc.
For me the teams should be split up into pots based on location and then have the draw'"
One thing it would give you is closer games.
How about having three lots of seeds like they have in the Champions League draw in football? |
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