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If the RFL are serious about expanding in France then maybe they should be concentrating on building a French 'heartland'. The Dragons thrive on being Catalan and Toulouse are also part of this identity.

When I went to Beziers hast August to watch Cats play Hull FC there was a crowd of 9,800! And Beziers is an hour an a half from Perpignan where Cats' home is. The town had its annual festival then and displays of Catalan identity were all over the place. It was still evident when I visited Mille on the same holiday (now there's a place that just feels right for rugby league...).

And Barcelona is essentially Catalan - so there you are: build the Catalan thing Mr Lewis. Just think of those fabulous Magic Weekends!

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Quote: Starbug "It certainly does doesn't it , how can any club hope to interest investment when it will be judged on it's location
it wouldnt, it would be judged on a number of things as has been said

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Quote: Barnacle Bill "Quite! Let's ask them to start a youth development programme for a club that does not even play RL in any form. '"

why not, if they want to be playing SL rugby in a couple of years, why not tell them to get their youth structures sorted

Quote: Barnacle Bill "Because no club in the championship has ever produced players good enough for SL have they?'"

not a squads worth no


Quote: Barnacle Bill "Throwing a SL license at any business/man whose current fad is RL and happens to have a bit of money and live in a nice city says plenty more Smokey.'"


yes, it shows we are willing to accept change and growth, 3 years in the championhip wasting time and money doesnt show commitment as much as you want to pretend it does! it doesnt show anything, its simply an arbitrary stipulation to placate the flat cappers, it means nothing and acheives nothing

frankly its a little pathetic the flatcappers can be bought off so easily with something so worthless

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Quote: Starbug "So if a large city has a stadium and the location is good they should get a place in the top tier , even if that means dumping a club in the heartlands ?'"


if a team has the potential support base, has the stadium, has the business plan, has the skills to execute it and the commitment and financial backing to do so then yes we should give them the opportunity of an SL side

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Quote: Leyther_Matt "I've got an idea, why not have this Paris club playing in the French league before we plonk them in to what is supposed to represent the European elite? I think RL is hugely devalued when it doesn't have the confidence to make clubs earn their place at the top table when in reality it should be the top 14 teams/clubs in Europe in that league. If that means having 12 northern clubs, Quins and Catalans (the latter two included because I think they're well worthy of their place) then so be it, but over time that would change, with the right assistance and guidance being given to all clubs outside of the top flight.'"


so why hasnt it changed in over a hundred years?

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Quote: Starbug "So Paris is good , but Barcelona is bad , just because you are not a ' fan ' of one of them , and you expect us to take you seriously

I was reffering to existing SL clubs not Championship clubs

So You suggest a large european city as long as they have a stadium and financial backing should replace who ?'"


since you cant read, wakey have to be out of SL next time.

and next time toulose and widnes have to be in, as well as probably paris.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "if a team has the potential support base, has the stadium, has the business plan, has the skills to execute it and the commitment and financial backing to do so then yes we should give them the opportunity of an SL side'"


My post was quite simply an attempt to get DM to post what you have , and then ask why the NRL havent done the same with the Wellington Orca's ?

He is a fan of expansion in Europe but not in Australaisia

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Quote: SmokeyTA "it wouldnt, it would be judged on a number of things as has been said'"


Changing the point of the argument again Smokey , you know where I was going with that post icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Starbug "Changing the point of the argument again Smokey , you know where I was going with that post you were wrong

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Quote: Starbug "My post was quite simply an attempt to get DM to post what you have , and then ask why the NRL havent done the same with the Wellington Orca's ?

He is a fan of expansion in Europe but not in Australaisia'"

because the NRL have a faction (unbelievably) which is more parochial than anything we can muster in RL in this country

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Quote: dally messenger "why was richard lewis meeting with laporte if not to fast track paris into SL?'"



Ah … of course. Two people attending the same international match. It has to be a cospiracy.

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Quote: tb "Ah … of course. Two people attending the same international match. It has to be a cospiracy.'"


Or a CONspiracy even icon_wink.gif

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Quote: headhunter "I don't know what you are trying to suggest though? France does have a Championship and the Lord Derby Cup is still contested?'"


Read it more carefully.

Most of the teams required are absent.

Many of the areas previously with an influence have little or none.

This needs to change, through exposure, especially via TV.

The ESL should be fused to this structure, not replace it.

Etc.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "
by all means ask them to start their youth development now, get them to start to put structures in place, maybe even ask them to put an academy side in the academy leagues now,

but putting a first team in the championship wont produce SL players
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A valid point, but there is more pressure in the Championship than in the academy league, which is why SL sides look to lending academy players to Championship clubs. Which suggests that the Championship is a better test of whether a club is ready for SL than having an academy side.

The Championship also gives them time to develop a home following and establish the idea before they join SL.

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Quote: dally messenger "why was richard lewis meeting with laporte if not to fast track paris into SL?
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i also maintain that if toulose have a strong financial bid next time they will be exempted from the requirements of making a GF.
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10 years down the track, whose going to do more for the game - Paris / Toulose or Leigh / Barrow?'"

1 - You can have an exploratory meeting without deciding the outcome.
2 - I could see the RFL going two up two down with one Championship club what ticks all the boxes and the other being TO - even if they don't tick the boxes, but I'm not convinced. Personally I wouldn't want TO in the SL if they can't get their act together to perform at the Championship level. Looking at the French side vs Nz we saw that the players are there in France and TO could chose to sign an all-French side that could compete with the best. But they don't want to try that because it's a risk. How much more of a Risk will they have to go to to compete in SL?
3 - Barrow is an excellent idea, RL heartland, big money backer, expansion area.

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