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| Depends on the score, if you're losing you try anything that gets you up quicker.
If you're winning, you play the low percentage, most time wasted plays, we call these tactics, but if by using those tactics you see a gap, a chance to score, you go for it.
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| Quote: Starbug "EGGGSACTLY, again
A scenario described and expanded on the third post of page nine.
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| Quote: Mystic Yed "Depends on the score, if you're losing you try anything that gets you up quicker.
If you're winning, you play the low percentage, most time wasted plays, we call these tactics, but if by using those tactics you see a gap, a chance to score, you go for it.'"
Exactly. Although you're only seeing a small part of the game. There's more than wasting time to those plays.
But the point is, there's a time to play safe and a time to panic. Being a couple of tries down with good time left, shouldn't be considered the time to panic and chuck the ball around in the wrong part of the field. That typically leads to turning the ball over and getting further behind. That was Phil Clarke's point.
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| But the thing is, if you see an opportunity to score you take it, regardless.
Even a high bomb is designed to score off, you hope the FB bottles it, or messes up, it's not designed to just give them the ball for them to return it as far away from your line as you can.
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| The bottom line is Mr Clarke ( and all those who agree with what he said ) are trying to appear cleverer than they actually are by taking bollox
What he REALLY meant to say was, that Huddersfield could do with concentrating on completeing a couple of sets wether that meant scoring or gaining some decent field position
Thats what he meant, but that doesnt sound ' clever ' , its like that Gin advert on the telly " aroumas of pretentious bull " or something similar
RL, the simplest game in the world , thats why we like it
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| Quote: Mystic Yed "But the thing is, if you see an opportunity to score you take it, regardless.
Even a high bomb is designed to score off, you hope the FB bottles it, or messes up, it's not designed to just give them the ball for them to return it as far away from your line as you can.'"
Has anyone said otherwise? Has anyone said that if you see an opportunity to score, not to take it? Anywhere? In this thread or the whole of human history?
The high bomb, yes is designed to score.
The downfield punt isn't.
In Starbug rugby you would kick that high bomb from your own 10, rather than kicking away. Which option would you take?
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| Quote: Starbug "What he REALLY meant to say was, that Huddersfield could do with concentrating on completeing a couple of sets wether that meant scoring or gaining some decent field position '"
Which is what he did say, you just didn't understand.
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| Quote: Richie "Exactly. Although you're only seeing a small part of the game. There's more than wasting time to those plays.
But the point is, there's a time to play safe and a time to panic. Being a couple of tries down with good time left, shouldn't be considered the time to panic and chuck the ball around in the wrong part of the field. That typically leads to turning the ball over and getting further behind. That was Phil Clarke's point.'"
Yes we all know what he meant, it was the bull crap way he went about it
" Scoring is not the priority " = BOLLOX
" They need to complete a couple of sets " = common sense
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| Quote: Richie "Which is what he did say, you just didn't understand.'"
Understood it completely, it was bollox
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| Quote: McClennan "We stopped playing unlimited tackles decades ago.'"
And why was that?
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| Quote: Starbug "
What he REALLY meant to say was, that Huddersfield could do with concentrating on completeing a couple of sets '"
So not trying to score then? You're contradicting yourself.
The fact is starbug you appear to have absolutley no understanding of the modern game of rugby league. There are alot of subtleties and intricacies to the game, it's not as simple as 'try and score every time we have the ball ''.
You have to earn the right and also pick your moments, balance risk with percentage plays. If you try and score all the time it will involve risky offloads and cut out passes outwide. If you don't earn the right to do this with good forward play and quick play the balls putting the defence on the back foot you can end up getting creamed in posession, losing ground, and if you are lucky enough not to knock on from all the kamikaze passing you are kicking from a crap position and the opposition fullback catches the kick on the full and returns the ball to the halfway line. By the time they finish the set they are in your red zone, prime position for a good attacking kick or a set move, where they then 'try to score'.
But then if you are down the field in your own half but theres a gap in the defence or you spot alot of space outwide teams will attack rather than drop it off to a forward, get me?
Do you think leeds are trying to score when jamie peacock takes a flat pass straight into the defence in his own 20 metres?
Watch australia in the world cup. They will relentlessly complete sets, get up the field, pen the opposition down in their own half and force repeat sets, points will follow. But if theres a lapse in defence anywhere on the field they will click into full attack mode and exploit it.
They won't try and score off every play they will build a game and attack when the opportunities are there.
Quite frankly, you are clueless.
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| Quote: Starbug "Stupid Leeds, scoring instead of building pressure, It'll cost them in the end
Mitch achurch miracle offload to mcguire in leeds half, mcguire can't take it, naturally (incredibly low percentage play with mcguire charging through and so much traffic). Wigan go 12-6 up from the resultant field position, a decisive swing in the game.
Maybe if leeds had been more patient and tryed to build pressure rather than trying miracle offloads in their own half, they could have stayed in the game longer?
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "So not trying to score then? You're contradicting yourself.
The fact is starbug you appear to have absolutley no understanding of the modern game of rugby league. There are alot of subtleties and intricacies to the game, it's not as simple as 'try and score every time we have the ball ''.
Quite frankly, you are clueless.'"
If you quote me, at least put in the whole quote, you missed out part of it that doesnt ' contradict '
I do understand the modern game, and yes there are subtleties and intricacies , there is also loads of bollox quoted by supposed 'experts , quite often trying to sound clever
So tell me, if you are losing, what IS your ' ' priority ' ?
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| Quote: Starbug "If you quote me, at least put in the whole quote, you missed out part of it that doesnt ' contradict '
I do understand the modern game, and yes there are subtleties and intricacies , there is also loads of bollox quoted by supposed 'experts , quite often trying to sound clever
So tell me, if you are losing, what IS your ' ' priority ' ?'"
depends how long is left, the defecit, where you are on the pitch, the pattern of the game
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "depends how long is left, the defecit, where you are on the pitch, the pattern of the game'"
See what I mean, complete bollox
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