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| Quote: NickyKiss "He's won it once when he probably should have won it three years on the trot.
Hardly a one man bias.'"
Tongue in cheek!! I just hope the most deserving player wins it. As you say it doesn't always follow.
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| Quote: Durham Giant "your a Leeds fan i get it. Choose Peacock but dont invent ridiculous arguements to try to illustrate your view.
There is not another poster on the boards who would underestimate Broughs kicking and the field position that it buys for the Giants.
Go back and watch the first game of the season Saints V Giants.
Watch the game and listen to the commentary about 15 time sin that game Saints had to run the bal back fromn inside their own 10 metre line.
Brough has done that to teams all season'"
Leeds fan? Nope. Sorry to kick that chair from under you lad.
I haven't underestimated Brough's value to the Giants. I've put it into conyext, with stats to back it up against all those you think he is better than.
So I've laid your stats argument to rest & you are referring to one game.
Give it up. Back your team & it's players, but don't make a fool of yourself doing it.
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "You ruled out half backs by dismissing Brough (and therefore any player of his ilk) because "they didn't lay the platform". You've ultimately decided that only a forward can win.
So you're a fortune teller as well?
Or maybe you've just got a chip on your shoulder?
All-round kicking, Brough has been the best in this country. It's amusing how your argument misses out downfield kicks (you know, the ones that make loads of yards to lay a platform...)
No, I'm saying that that's not the criteria for picking the Man of Steel.
I like how you've completely backtracked on your "break the line" comment there and now it's about sucking in defenders (something that half backs NEVER do eh?). Brilliant.
Again, another ridiculous point. Surely it's easier to shine in a team of inexperienced players (you know, since you're head and shoulders above them)? But it's good to see that you think Brough shines in the best team in the league. Surely the hallmark of a MOS?
So he's definitely not up there in try assists or anything then?
Seriously, get a grip.'"
I quite clearly stated Brough was not the type of half who took the line on. I said he's a second phase type player who relies on a platform.
Rangi Chase isn't a forward. Look at his carry stats compared to Brough. Takes the line on and looks to make breaks.
Take the pack from in front of Brough & he's anonymous. Chase won MoS for being the type of line leading half that goes at defences.
You clearly have to make up things to try & win an argument.
I haven't missed out any kicks at all. A downfield kick isn't what lays the platform, it's the chase & first up tackle.
Brough has performed well. It is utterly facile to compare his performances to Peacock when considering the team he has had around him, to those of Peacock who has led a side missing it's main playmakers & kicker, plus several first 17 players for large parts of the season.
Honestly do those going for Brough, Hudds & Hull fans actually have any appreciation or knowledge of the game?
Don't listen to Eddie & Stevo. look at the stats, watch the players in action 7 look at the results achieved with the teams they lead.
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| Christ, the Brough love-in on this thread is making me nauseous.
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| Quote: BiffasBoys "I quite clearly stated Brough was not the type of half who took the line on. I said he's a second phase type player who relies on a platform.'"
Yet he has taken on the line many times very successfully to score or put someone through.
Quote: BiffasBoys "Rangi Chase isn't a forward. Look at his carry stats compared to Brough. Takes the line on and looks to make breaks.'"
That's because he's playing in a one man team.
Quote: BiffasBoys "Take the pack from in front of Brough & he's anonymous. Chase won MoS for being the type of line leading half that goes at defences.'"
Take the pack from any half back and you'll find they'll struggle. Take the half backs from any pack and you'll see very few wins. It's a team game with different roles. Without good halves, teams don't win games. Hull had great forwards for years and won next to nothing.
Quote: BiffasBoys "You clearly have to make up things to try & win an argument.
I haven't missed out any kicks at all. A downfield kick isn't what lays the platform, it's the chase & first up tackle.'"
You haven't missed any kicks, but then state one you missed straight away. Brilliant.
And yes it does lay a platform. The chase and first tackle will be nothing without the kick!
Quote: BiffasBoys "Brough has performed well. It is utterly facile to compare his performances to Peacock when considering the team he has had around him, to those of Peacock who has led a side missing it's main playmakers & kicker, plus several first 17 players for large parts of the season.'"
And again, you can't pick the MOS because one plays in an injury hit squad. It's not Brough's fault his players stayed fit!
Quote: BiffasBoys "Honestly do those going for Brough, Hudds & Hull fans actually have any appreciation or knowledge of the game?
Don't listen to Eddie & Stevo. look at the stats, watch the players in action 7 look at the results achieved with the teams they lead.'"
Clearly by saying that Brough doesn't take on the line, break tackles or that good downfield kicks don't lay a platform, you haven't been watching or understand the game.
Look, you're obviously a Leeds fan, so I can understand why you'd pick Peacock. He's had a great season and is a worthy choice. But your arguments come to nothing when you trash the other player who clearly is up there as one of the best. Argue FOR Peacock, not AGAINST Brough (and if you're going to do the latter, at least don't exaggerate!)
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| Quote: Wigg'n "Christ, the Brough love-in on this thread is making me nauseous.'"
Had Brough not thrown his toys out of his pram with regards to England selection, he wouldn’t have been so high on peoples radar and we wouldn’t be having this collective man-crush. But he is a ready made excuse for people to criticise McNamara so his performances have been elevated to something they weren’t.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Had Brough not thrown his toys out of his pram with regards to England selection, he wouldn’t have been so high on peoples radar and we wouldn’t be having this collective man-crush. But he is a ready made excuse for people to criticise McNamara so his performances have been elevated to something they weren’t.'"
Please furnish us with the facts. What happened between Brough and McNamara? Why did Brough "throw his toys out of the pram"?
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "
And again, you can't pick the MOS because one plays in an injury hit squad. It's not Brough's fault his players stayed fit!'" Why can't you judge a performance in context? It seems entirely appropriate to do so.
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| Quote: Wadski "Please furnish us with the facts. What happened between Brough and McNamara? Why did Brough "throw his toys out of the pram"?'"
I don’t know why Brough did it. He is an idiot is the most likely reason.
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| Quote: BiffasBoys "I quite clearly stated Brough was not the type of half who took the line on. I said he's a second phase type player who relies on a platform.
Rangi Chase isn't a forward. Look at his carry stats compared to Brough. Takes the line on and looks to make breaks.
Take the pack from in front of Brough & he's anonymous. Chase won MoS for being the type of line leading half that goes at defences.
You clearly have to make up things to try & win an argument.
I haven't missed out any kicks at all. A downfield kick isn't what lays the platform, it's the chase & first up tackle.
Brough has performed well. It is utterly facile to compare his performances to Peacock when considering the team he has had around him, to those of Peacock who has led a side missing it's main playmakers & kicker, plus several first 17 players for large parts of the season.
[iHonestly do those going for Brough, Hudds & Hull fans actually have any appreciation or knowledge of the game?
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Don't listen to Eddie & Stevo. look at the stats, watch the players in action 7 look at the results achieved with the teams they lead.'"
Listen Mr. Patronising, I and many other fans have probably been following Rugby League for far longer than you (me personally for over 60 years) so don't try teaching your grandma to suck eggs. You've got your opinion and we've got ours, live with it. The voting for MOS will not be affected by what you or we say.
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "Yet he has taken on the line many times very successfully to score or put someone through.
That's because he's playing in a one man team.
Take the pack from any half back and you'll find they'll struggle. Take the half backs from any pack and you'll see very few wins. It's a team game with different roles. Without good halves, teams don't win games. Hull had great forwards for years and won next to nothing.
You haven't missed any kicks, but then state one you missed straight away. Brilliant.
And yes it does lay a platform. The chase and first tackle will be nothing without the kick!
And again, you can't pick the MOS because one plays in an injury hit squad. It's not Brough's fault his players stayed fit!
Clearly by saying that Brough doesn't take on the line, break tackles or that good downfield kicks don't lay a platform, you haven't been watching or understand the game.
Look, you're obviously a Leeds fan, so I can understand why you'd pick Peacock. He's had a great season and is a worthy choice. But your arguments come to nothing when you trash the other player who clearly is up there as one of the best. Argue FOR Peacock, not AGAINST Brough (and if you're going to do the latter, at least don't exaggerate!)'"
Brough makes 1 clean break every 2 games. He has scored 7 tries in 27 games. Giants are 3rd on tries scored.
Got any stats on these vital kicks you say aren't recorded? Brough sits behind a pack & kicks for position, that's his game. And he kicks a few goals. Those attributes don't make him anywhere near fit to be MoS in my opinion.
Peaccock doesn't just play, he leads,inspires & gets the best out of those around him. That's why Leeds finished 3rd despite all the long term injuries. I have never seen Danny Brough produce anything that does such things. I've never seen him produce a piece of play that's lifted a crowd.
Look at what happened to Hudds when injuries hit last year, they crumbled. Where was Brough? In the pile of rubble with the rest of the team!!
Brough is up there in whose minds? Giants & a Hull fan who still love him for his goal kick at Cardiff?
Not a Leeds fan, sorry to disappoint
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| Quote: BiffasBoys "Brough makes 1 clean break every 2 games. He has scored 7 tries in 27 games. Giants are 3rd on tries scored.
Got any stats on these vital kicks you say aren't recorded? Brough sits behind a pack & kicks for position, that's his game. And he kicks a few goals. Those attributes don't make him anywhere near fit to be MoS in my opinion.
Peaccock doesn't just play, he leads,inspires & gets the best out of those around him. That's why Leeds finished 3rd despite all the long term injuries. I have never seen Danny Brough produce anything that does such things. I've never seen him produce a piece of play that's lifted a crowd.
Look at what happened to Hudds when injuries hit last year, they crumbled. Where was Brough? In the pile of rubble with the rest of the team!!
Brough is up there in whose minds? Giants & a Hull fan who still love him for his goal kick at Cardiff?
Not a Leeds fan, sorry to disappoint
Well thats just rubbish. Brough has been sensational this season and has rightly recieved the accolades for it. You're now basically saying that he shouldn't be man of steel because they had a fully fit squad. Other than lead them to the league leaders shield what else could he do? Peackock has also been fantastic this season and either would be a worthy winner.
As someone on this thread said earlier, say why peacock should win, not why Brough shouldn't.
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| Quote: easthullwesty "
As someone on this thread said earlier, say why peacock should win, not why Brough shouldn't.'"
To be fair he's done both in his post.
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| Quote: BiffasBoys "I quite clearly stated Brough was not the type of half who took the line on. I said he's a second phase type player who relies on a platform.
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I've read some drivel on here but that's right up there with the worst of it.
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| Quote: easthullwesty "Well thats just rubbish. Brough has been sensational this season and has rightly recieved the accolades for it. You're now basically saying that he shouldn't be man of steel because they had a fully fit squad. Other than lead them to the league leaders shield what else could he do? Peackock has also been fantastic this season and either would be a worthy winner.
As someone on this thread said earlier, say why peacock should win, not why Brough shouldn't.'"
You use the word sensational to describe Brough's performances. That's where you're going wrong. Nothing backs that claim up.
1 clean break every 2 games. 7 tries. he's top goalkicker in 2013, nothing else.
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