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NHS = SL ,private healthcare = NRL/RU

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Quote: Starbug "NHS
Why? are they the same job in a different country or a different job?
Because that's what the NRL and RU are

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: SmokeyTA "Then it isn't freely negotiated is it. Within your first sentence you explain the collusion and restrictions. They are free to do other jobs, so is anyone. They aren't free sell their skills as rl players in an open market
Pretty much every business has relationships with other companies and would be effected by their demise.

FFP is not a salary cap and football did not think it could practically or legally apply one and RU are likely to get rid of theirs and clubs have spoken publicly about their belief it is illegal.'"


Yes if a vehicle manufacturer goes out of business, the rest increase business and profit, not quite the same is it?

While the FFP isnt a salary cap, it has been introduced to prevent damage to the sport

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Quote: Starbug "Yes if a vehicle manufacturer goes out of business, the rest increase business and profit, not quite the same is it?

While the FFP isnt a salary cap, it has been introduced to prevent damage to the sport'"

are you saying if say Halifax go out of business Bradford wouldn't increase business?

Plenty of things which aren't a salary cap are in sports for the good of those sports. none of them justify a salary cap

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: SmokeyTA "are you saying if say Halifax go out of business Bradford wouldn't increase business?

Plenty of things which aren't a salary cap are in sports for the good of those sports. none of them justify a salary cap'"


If honda sell a million cars a year, and they stopped making them ,other manufacturers would collectively sell an extra million cars

If Halifax had 2,000 fans and dissapeared, collectively the other clubs would not increase their fan numbers by 2,000

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Quote: Starbug "If honda sell a million cars a year, and they stopped making them ,other manufacturers would collectively sell an extra million cars

If Halifax had 2,000 fans and dissapeared, collectively the other clubs would not increase their fan numbers by 2,000'"

I don't agree with your premise.

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Quote: roofaldo2 "Perhaps replacing it with a financial fair play system similar to that which has been introduced in football.

That would at least prevent sugar daddy run clubs running roughshod over the rest of the league and buying up every top player they can get a hold of.'"

I welcome sugar daddies to the sport, provided they are spending their own money (i.e. not putting the club into outrageous debt or forward liabilities), and b) that, whilst they can pay what the heck they like for 13 superstars, they're not allowed to hoover up all the talent and use it to keep the bench warm and play in the reserves.

If you insist that no more than 13 members of the squad are paid more than (say) £75k, let 'em pay up to 13 players whatever the heck they like.

Besides ... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/30547824
Quote: roofaldo2 "Perhaps replacing it with a financial fair play system similar to that which has been introduced in football.

That would at least prevent sugar daddy run clubs running roughshod over the rest of the league and buying up every top player they can get a hold of.'"

I welcome sugar daddies to the sport, provided they are spending their own money (i.e. not putting the club into outrageous debt or forward liabilities), and b) that, whilst they can pay what the heck they like for 13 superstars, they're not allowed to hoover up all the talent and use it to keep the bench warm and play in the reserves.

If you insist that no more than 13 members of the squad are paid more than (say) £75k, let 'em pay up to 13 players whatever the heck they like.

Besides ... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/30547824


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Quote: SmokeyTA "I don't agree with your premise.'"


I do. I can't imagine that anyone would be so loyal to Honda that they would never buy a car again if they folded.

However people have an attachment to their club, and a lot of people would not start following another just because theirs has folded. Personally as a Hull fan I might go to Rovers or Cas occasionally to get my rugby fix. But I wouldn't go every week and wouldn't start supporting those teams.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "I don't agree with your premise.'"

Only because you never accept that you might be wrong.

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Quote: Nephilim "I think the NHS is a good example. I am employed by a particular NHS trust but my wages are capped by the Government. So just like a rugby player I am free to move from one club (Trust) to another but I will not be able to earn more than a maximum for my particular pay scale.'"

It's about the best non-sporting example of a similar situation to SL players. Like you say if, for example, you're a nurse in the NHS you have a set pay structure, like the salary cap. You can move between trusts like you can clubs and if you're not happy with that you can work in the private healthcare sector.

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Whether the cap goes up or not the days of us been able to compete on wages with the NRL and Premiership RU are long gone and not coming back.

m.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/30547824
Whether the cap goes up or not the days of us been able to compete on wages with the NRL and Premiership RU are long gone and not coming back.

m.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/30547824


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If a top player can be persuaded to stay or come to rugby league who can play for England. I'm up for any rule change that allows that. Obviously there has to be someone who wants to and can afford to do it.

I.e. If kashcow wanted to pay for Sam burgess to go to Salford, his wage would be whatever fits the salary cap. And he is allowed to use his own money to pay him or whoever a fee for that to happen.

Agreed that it's not looking good as far as losing out to ru and nrl.

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Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "I do. I can't imagine that anyone would be so loyal to Honda that they would never buy a car again if they folded.

However people have an attachment to their club, and a lot of people would not start following another just because theirs has folded. Personally as a Hull fan I might go to Rovers or Cas occasionally to get my rugby fix. But I wouldn't go every week and wouldn't start supporting those teams.'"
Its less that I don't think they would ever buy a car again, but more likely, and more analogous with how you would respond to hull going under, and they would buy fewer.

There is strong brand loyalty in cars, many people will simply be 'upgrading' if that upgrade isn't there, they not buy a car for another 2 or 3 years. Obviously that's not as strong as in sports but sports isn't unique. in fact people being wedded to it being unique and ignoring basic business rules is often why clubs go bust.

interesting quotes from RU today,
"If the salary cap is left to forbid the required investment, it will kill any hope of growth."

“It is time to seize that opportunity, to ensure a level playing field in Europe, to build the strongest league in world rugby and to let players earn market-related salaries. We must release the handbrake and step on the accelerator.

“We understand some clubs fear the removal of the salary cap will cause wage inflation, yet in reality salaries are already being driven by the French clubs. We can either sit back and become a ‘lowest common denominator’ league, or we can leap forward.”

Even Nigel Wood has said, "Our elite teams need to be cut loose to be internationally competitive." When asked whether that meant a relaxation of the salary cap, which has remained at around £1.7m per club for several seasons, he said has been promoting the introduction of a marquee player allowance for a couple of years now"

and Gary Hetherington "We proposed this a few years ago and didn't get the support of enough clubs. But it's been brought up again by Marwan, and there are people at other clubs like Simon Moran at Warrington and Ken Davy at Huddersfield who have the private income to spend more than they are currently allowed without jeopardising the stability of their clubs."

Tony Smith ""I'm keen on anything that's going to raise the quality of our competition, and maybe also give us a bit of a wow factor," said Smith. "If a marquee player at each club is the best way to do that, great."

Clubs have sold the 'poor card' for so long that even when large and important parts of our game are crying out for us to be allowed to pay our players more, they are ignored. When other sports are outright telling us the problems the SC is causing we ignore them

We are a lowest common denominator sport, we are losing touch, our best players don't play in our league, we don't attract the best from other leagues, some of our best players don't even play our sport, the best from those sports certainly aren't coming over to RL. As much as people complain that paying players their market worth isn't sustainable, exploiting them clearly isn't sustainable either. People within the game are telling us so.

We have seen people from Wigan, Salford, Leeds, Huddersfield and Warrington all come out and say we can pay more, all complain that we are hamstrung by the SC, even the RFL are stating that players can be paid more.

We are setting up our entire competition, in its structure and its rules to cater to the lowest common denominator, we are entrenching mediocrity and then wondering why we are struggling.

If you want to know why the games standing and visibility is falling, its simple. We aren't a top league and we don't present ourselves as such, and we are doing next to nothing to make ourselves a top league.

People on here moan at 'knock off Nigel' selling the game short with low ticket prices, but we are like any product, we can either sell ourselves as a premium product, but that costs more to make, or we can use the cheapest raw materials and stack em high and sell em low.

as Jacky Lorenzetti said when spending basically the SL SC on Dan Carter "Carter will be the best-paid player at Racing but also the least expensive because of the economic benefits,"

none of this however changes the fact that the market should set the players wages, the should be able to sell their skills as british RL players for what they are worth. It should not be set by the clubs colluding to keep them low.

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I wouldn't be against a soft cap, which is for every £ or $ you spend over the cap, you have to give the same amount to the league who spreads the amount to every other team in the league. In principle I am in FAVOUR of a cap, as it obviously gives teams in the smaller markets a chance of winning the Grand Final. Where would Green Bay and Penrith be without a salary cap?

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Quote: SmokeyTA "Its less that I don't think they would ever buy a car again, but more likely, and more analogous with how you would respond to hull going under, and they would buy fewer.

There is strong brand loyalty in cars, many people will simply be 'upgrading' if that upgrade isn't there, they not buy a car for another 2 or 3 years. Obviously that's not as strong as in sports but sports isn't unique. in fact people being wedded to it being unique and ignoring basic business rules is often why clubs go bust.

interesting quotes from RU today,
"If the salary cap is left to forbid the required investment, it will kill any hope of growth."

“It is time to seize that opportunity, to ensure a level playing field in Europe, to build the strongest league in world rugby and to let players earn market-related salaries. We must release the handbrake and step on the accelerator.

“We understand some clubs fear the removal of the salary cap will cause wage inflation, yet in reality salaries are already being driven by the French clubs. We can either sit back and become a ‘lowest common denominator’ league, or we can leap forward.”

Even Nigel Wood has said, "Our elite teams need to be cut loose to be internationally competitive." When asked whether that meant a relaxation of the salary cap, which has remained at around £1.7m per club for several seasons, he said has been promoting the introduction of a marquee player allowance for a couple of years now"

and Gary Hetherington "We proposed this a few years ago and didn't get the support of enough clubs. But it's been brought up again by Marwan, and there are people at other clubs like Simon Moran at Warrington and Ken Davy at Huddersfield who have the private income to spend more than they are currently allowed without jeopardising the stability of their clubs."

Tony Smith ""I'm keen on anything that's going to raise the quality of our competition, and maybe also give us a bit of a wow factor," said Smith. "If a marquee player at each club is the best way to do that, great."

Clubs have sold the 'poor card' for so long that even when large and important parts of our game are crying out for us to be allowed to pay our players more, they are ignored. When other sports are outright telling us the problems the SC is causing we ignore them

We are a lowest common denominator sport, we are losing touch, our best players don't play in our league, we don't attract the best from other leagues, some of our best players don't even play our sport, the best from those sports certainly aren't coming over to RL. As much as people complain that paying players their market worth isn't sustainable, exploiting them clearly isn't sustainable either. People within the game are telling us so.

We have seen people from Wigan, Salford, Leeds, Huddersfield and Warrington all come out and say we can pay more, all complain that we are hamstrung by the SC, even the RFL are stating that players can be paid more.

We are setting up our entire competition, in its structure and its rules to cater to the lowest common denominator, we are entrenching mediocrity and then wondering why we are struggling.

If you want to know why the games standing and visibility is falling, its simple. We aren't a top league and we don't present ourselves as such, and we are doing next to nothing to make ourselves a top league.

People on here moan at 'knock off Nigel' selling the game short with low ticket prices, but we are like any product, we can either sell ourselves as a premium product, but that costs more to make, or we can use the cheapest raw materials and stack em high and sell em low.

as Jacky Lorenzetti said when spending basically the SL SC on Dan Carter "Carter will be the best-paid player at Racing but also the least expensive because of the economic benefits,"

none of this however changes the fact that the market should set the players wages, the should be able to sell their skills as british RL players for what they are worth. It should not be set by the clubs colluding to keep them low.'"


a few people on here have tried to explain the downfall of this view, so i wont try. i look forward to watching your vision of SL in 5 years time when salford have bought all the titles and everyone else is either bankrupt or on their way towards it. sounds like fun. cant wait to pay my money towards that....

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Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
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Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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