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| Quote blackpoolwigan="blackpoolwigan"Haha, yeah can see that happening.
In seriousness, wait until the clubs that arent happy release their statement and make their pitch, then pass judgement.
The one thing that is a certainty, is that the RFL has failed at many things, many times. No sane fan of RL in Europe would want things to carry on the way they have been.'"
I think this is the crux of the matter.
The RFL have not being able to grow the game the way it should have.
The lack of a SL sponsor and a main sponsor for the WC are the biggest examples of that.
Some of the clubs are worried that the current RFL plans split a very small pool of monay too many ways with the net result that it impacts too much on the top teams.
Now whether that is a good thing or not i cannot say because i do not have enough information to make an informed decision.
For the SL chairmen to say we want to have a seat at the RFL table to make sure that the clubs best interests are maintained to me seems sensible.
The game cannot go on the way it is the player drain to Australia and to RU will eventualy cause ireperable damege to the game over here. Maybe we cannot keep bailing out struggling clubs and that having a 10 or 12 team league with one up one down is the best way of sharing out a small pie.
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| Quote WormInHand="WormInHand"Ethical 6 against, 5 for plus Barwick's RFL casting vote - 6:6. Casting vote decides it, Heths and Co have it.'"
That's not how a casting vote works.
Can anyone answer yet if a SL meeting can decide the structure for the whole game?
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| Quote Him="Him"That's not how a casting vote works.
Can anyone answer yet if a SL meeting can decide the structure for the whole game?'"
Given that the RFL have bribe, sorry sold this new ' Nirvana ' to the Championship Clubs complete with cash ' carrots ' that werent theirs to give ,then ultimatly yes if the SL clubs do agree this structure, then the rest of the ' Paid ' sport will follow
As you already knew
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| Quote Him="Him"That's not how a casting vote works.
Can anyone answer yet if a SL meeting can decide the structure for the whole game?'"
Sorry, I worded it badly. Barwick's initial vote wouldn't have been casting. His second would've been.
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| I have been thinking about this and there can only be 2 things going on here.
1 Adam Pearson is lying which in itself is a concern as we cannot have one SL club cast false accusation towards another. If this is true the RFL and Gary Hetherington really have no choice but to make at least a statement saying such as mud sticks. So far no statement at all and the longer that goes on the more likely that what is actually going on is.
2 The RFL and Gary Hetherington tried to stitch up a vote at a SL meeting which is quite frankly alarming and should have EVERY logical RL fan's alarm bells ringing loud and clear.
If it is true I cannot understand how the RFL could be so stupid as it pretty much means they have just signed their own death warrant, I mean seriously did they think it would never get out what they did?
Hell even if it had been passed how would it have stood up to any scrutiny at all?
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| Quote Early Bath="Early Bath"First thing is to put a time limit on this - say 31st December 2013. If no agreement then the 6 should be excluded and the top 6 in the Championship promoted. The 6 walkers then will form the Super Duper League and court BT for TV rights. Simples.'"
No need to go to BT. If the 6 walk, they'll win, simple as that. Sky would pull the plug on the rump left behind as soon as contracts allowed, so the remaining clubs would see the writing on the wall and start jumping in with the rebels, who ultimately would end up with the Sky deal and control of top-level RL. It won't actually happen, because the opponents of the 6 know deep down that they'd finish up on the losing side, so in the end they'll compromise.
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| I find it difficult to comprehend the elitist attitude of a few SL clubs. If this was "establishment " RU then it would be understandable but RL???
They are ,IMO, going to succeed where the RFU failed in delivering the final blow to a system already shown to be unworkable .
Successful RLWC or not the game is teetering on the edge and needs radical change at ALL levels. The 3 monkeys approach is no longer a viable option.
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| Quote WormInHand="WormInHand"Sorry, I worded it badly. Barwick's initial vote wouldn't have been casting. His second would've been.'"
Don't think you can have two votes!
In a league of 14, then 5 clubs can't win.
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| Quote saint at wire="saint at wire"Don't think you can have two votes!
In a league of 14, then 5 clubs can't win.'"
In most situations (and I've heard nothing to indicate the SL meetings would veer from this norm) all parties at the table have a vote. In this case the 14 SL clubs [iand[/i the RFL representative - Barwick. Usually, if all were present, all decisions would be carried one way or another as there are 15 - an odd number - voters. If some parties are missing and the vote is an even split, for example 6:6 as was the likely case on Wednesday, then the Chair - in this case Barwick - has a second, casting vote which carries the motion.
So, alarmingly, you can have a situation such as happened on Wednesday with 2 absentees and an exclusion meaning 12 were round the table, where 5 SL clubs (3 of which are from the same 'stable', so to speak) can, with the support of the RFL, defeat the other 9. That's why the meeting had to be made inquorate via the enforced walkout.
Where were you lot, btw? 
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| Quote Leaguefan="Leaguefan"I find it difficult to comprehend the elitist attitude of a few SL clubs. If this was "establishment " RU then it would be understandable but RL???
They,IMO, going to succeed where the RFU failed in delivering the final blow to a system already shown to be unworkable .
Successful RLWC or not the game is teetering on the edge and needs radical change at ALL levels. The 3 monkeys approach is no longer a viable option.'"
Maybe it is survivalist rather than elitist? SL brings in the money to the game. Without ten or twelve or fourteen (whatever is manageable with funds available) sustainable clubs with resources to market themselves, develop players, retain star players and fill stadiums then RL is not going to survive as a prof code. Cut off the head and the body soon dies. Try getting kids to play the game with no SL clubs to dream of one day playing for.
For me ALL of the sky money should go to The running of SL inc it's own marketing and corporate support team. The money the rfl generates from challenge cup, internationals and other funding sources should go to the running of the rest of the game.
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| Quote RLBandit="RLBandit"No need to go to BT. If the 6 walk, they'll win, simple as that. Sky would pull the plug on the rump left behind as soon as contracts allowed, so the remaining clubs would see the writing on the wall and start jumping in with the rebels, who ultimately would end up with the Sky deal and control of top-level RL. It won't actually happen, because the opponents of the 6 know deep down that they'd finish up on the losing side, so in the end they'll compromise.'"
What a stupid post.
Your seriously suggesting that six clubs are the be all and end all of the game?
Of the six, one is on it's Harris financially, another had to merge with another club to survive and run by a know not, and another club not even from the UK.
You must have just being fishing.
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| Quote Gotcha="Gotcha"What a stupid post.
Your seriously suggesting that six clubs are the be all and end all of the game?
Of the six, one is on it's Harris financially, another had to merge with another club to survive and run by a know not, and another club not even from the UK.
You must have just being fishing.'" Which club is on it's Harris?
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