Not just that. I'm pretty sure Wakefield blew up the twin towers and killed Dianna to be honest.

As there are only 4 SL clubs that have won the grand final, then by your reasoning, all the other eight clubs in super league, have been a waste of money. Just saying.

No I don't think that. I think all the other clubs have shown ambition. Hull, Cas and Wire, even Hudds have had memorable sides. Mr Davy has done everything possible. Hull KR try their best and their fans are passionate. If they were a good side I think they'd get 8-10k plus the big derby games. All credit to the people at Salford who have risen from what looked like dead. I think all these clubs have contributed to the promotion of SL to greater or lesser extent.

Wakefield are a significant net minus.

How come when we do a raffle on the Bulls board about which one of us should lay into Wakefield I never get chosen? It's rigged.

Lmao, the last umpteen attempts have been dismal failures, so lets have Manchester-Wigan, Liverpool-St Helens, Leeds (I guess they're just about well enough known), Hull United, rebrand the merged Cumbrian sides as Scottish Borderers.....yeah, you get my drift....what a load of B*******s

Does anyone on here know if the meeting of SL and the RFL management is still taking place tomorrow (Wednesday 19th )]?. I think it was initially to discuss the distribution of the next lot of Sky funding, but there has been a suggestion it may also include discussion on promotion and relegation.

And yet, they have managed to maintain their spot in SL.
Poor Bradford failed to beat them when it mattered and went into a death spiral, shame really, as they used to be quite a force in SL.
You really need to get over the MPG, there's plenty of water gone under the proverbial bridge and right now, the game has many bigger issues to get through, not least the drop in funding and even more importantly, the drop off in numbers playing the game post covid, which will have a huge effect on the player pool, which was already shrinking.
These are the issues that need focus and not ing about with the structure, again or, bemoaning the fact that Trinity are where you want your beloved Bulls to be.

The structure does require change. The super 8’s for all it’s bias, created intrigue. Clubs forced to spend to regain position and clubs forced to spend to promote position. Entertaining and vey costly to clubs on the receiving end. Hence goodbye super 8’s.

If they take the approach of 2 x 10, the product will again become stale. You can throw who want to into SL2 but the stale product SL will still remain.

Without serious money being pumped in to this idea, it’s dead before it starts.

Bring back the Championship Eights and the Million Squid Game, as a Bronco, I'm a huge fam, lmao....No, seriously, I did think at least it meant SL clubs only got replaced by something marhinally better rather than something decididly worse.

It was completely biased. Once broken by Leigh. The eyes opened again.

These "bigger issues" are important yes, so as there is a drop in TV funding then the Bulls back in Superleague would help towards a rise in the SL average gate.

As for the drop in players game wide, and quality players for Superleague then again a Superleague Bulls academy may turn up a few gems that Salford or Catalans aren't turning up.

So you can't get away with trying to brush the idea of Bulls back in Superleague under the carpet not being an issue, because there are other OBVIOUS problems. Bulls in Superleague can help alleviate problems of player development and monetary income into the game.

Don't you see that

Or are Toulouse going to boost the playing roster, the TV income and the crowds??

Is this a "bigger issue"?

I agree that the 3 x 8's did add some intrigue.
However, the destabilising effect that it had on both, the top sides from The Championship and the lower half of SL were too great.
The bottom line with any restructure, is that, ultimately, it's just another attempt at a quick fix and far from making the game more attractive to supporters and sponsors, it makes RL look desperate.
Is RL so mickey poor that we have to shake up the bottle every few seasons to try and get some "fizz" back into the game ?

Has anyone stopped and asked, the fans, TV companies, sponsors, club chairmen etc, what they want to see from the game.
The new "covid" rules, whilst quickening up the game have taken some of the punctuation points from the play and made the game even more one dimensional.
It was great for a while but, it isn't helping the appeal of the sport.
-I absolutely accept the changes were and still are neccessary but, they shouldn't remain indefinitely.

If we go down the 2 x 10 route, where do we go after that.

To keep reducing the number of clubs whilst theoretically making all of the games of higher quality, actually takes away even more of the diversity within the sport.
Where do we go when that fails to bring any increase in revenue, reduce again to 8 clubs or 6 ??

Unfortunately, the game has been in a ever quickening downward spiral for some years now. At the beginning when SL was first mooted, and the club Chairmen of the day fell head over heels to receive the pot of gold, some clubs faced mergers, and all of what happened then and since, I feel that the fans have never been consulted, and now, the game I feel is really dying.
Some people think the games saviour will be the B Bulls and their fan base, and if they are welcome to SL if they can achieve this on the field. I don’t have the right answers to the game’s problems, but I can use common sense to decide if any proposals make good sense to implement. Sadly, there’s not been many good ideas recently,

Nobody thinks the game's saviour will be the Bradford Bulls. Literally not one single person. Or if that person exists it is a greater reflection of the state of the game than it is the Bulls. However many do look to the period when the Bulls played to 10k+ and produced good player for the international team as a period when the game was stronger than it is now and more attractive to TV audiences, national media etc. They were one of of 5/6 clubs who could sell 10k for a semi final and 20k+ for a final. And compete with Wigan, Leeds, St's over the entire history of our game, not just SL. It is one of the biggest names in British rugby league and rise and fall of SL almost perfectly mirrors the rise and fall of the Bulls.

Had any of the expansion clubs brought the above, the game wouldn't be dying as you say. If York or Newcastle could grow year on year, then this would be a huge plus. If London had a stable home..... Even now, after every disaster that has befallen the club, fighting for 11th place, the Bulls would be better supported in SL than most of the clubs in it. And that. In a nutshell is why SL is in decline.