Don't agree on either point.
Abide With Me is a tradition very worth keeping.
Sung loud and proud around me.

Wembley is the pinnacle. Let's just work on filling it.

Yes but most games are boring these days - formulaic play. Players may be quicker and stronger than in the past but with very few exceptions it’s played by players of average ability. Watch the video of 1966 Saints and compare the quality of player and goalkicking, then to now. It’s sad to see how the sport has declined with less people playing in traditional RL towns and lack of world class sporting talent from other sports. The final yesterday was poor in my view, not helped by dire refereeing in the first 15 minutes. The second game’s first half was way better before Widnes completely fell away.

I think a large part of lower attendances is playing it on the August Bank Holiday weekend when people are under pressure to do things with the family. Also it’s the time of year when most families take holidays and are either away or broke after getting back.

You need to install a stairlift?

Has anyone seen as108 or lebrunne this weekend?

Have you tried scouring the Lake District?

I don't think the new Wembley has the same appeal as the old Wembley. August BH weekend is also a terrible date to have it with so many other things going on. I know in Halifax there used to be a lot of trips from various amateur teams, social clubs, pubs etc. I only knew of 1 this year.

I think if you aim low you just get lower. Playing semi finals in smaller and smaller stadia in the early 2000s did not boost attendances.

Rugby Union makes its traditions part of its appeal, you don't attract new fans by ripping up your history. It's a bit like the church of England trying to grow its congregations by installing helter skelters.

Real saints fans (not Internet trolls) have been posting regularly and congratulating Warrington. Most don't frequent this forum but if you look at redvee you will see most of us can see that in big games since 2014 we are chokers.

I get why people mention tradition and the old Wembley then yes it should never be moved but this new place is soulless and I know they’ve signed yet another contract for the place but crowds are dwindling and it looks shocking on tv and being there.

It’s time to wake up and move it say to Cardiff say for 25 years and have done with it

I like Wembley. London is far easier to get to from across the north by train than Cardiff is. I also liked having my pick of seats in the upper tier. I sat on row one, which wasn't where the ticket was for, and is a brilliant view. It's traditional and there's nothing wrong with it, so keep it there.

Like the rest of the Saints fans, they seem to afraid to speak or support their side dont want to wake them

Yes keep it their but do not put it back to August I have been to Wembley 28 times for challenge cup and England Great Britain games but most were in May when it was the challenge cup final moving next year to July helps

Really enjoyed the game ,a change to put one over on Saints.
As for Wembley , lovely stadium , but you would have thought it would have been given better access in the construction. The building work isn't helping as far as road access is concerned & the increased traffic generally adds to the woes of going by road when you can sit at home & watch in glorious colour without the need to travel for hours. The stadium should have at least been given proper access roads from the North Circular & Western Avenue for fans from all towns north of Watford & even from the M4. Wembley is a London stadium that wants custom but is basically only user friendly to Londoners ,with the underground, who get about on their oyster cards, & good rail links to the city from southern & Home Counties for the more local people to get to the stadium for the usual football fix. It really is a stadium designed to serve the south east corner of the UK. Even our rail links to the capital can't be relied upon because there is so much disruption with rail repairs somewhere at weekend especially August BH weekend,which is unusually conspicuous by its absence this year.

Cba quoting who said it, but you can't get rid of abide with me.

Regardless of the results thats always the highlight singing that, arm in arm with the family i watch my rugby league with.

Evet crumbling terrace, every away end that lets you get ed wet through, this is the pay off for me