Hasn't he played enough matches to get a winners medal?

All in all, last night was another poor final. I haven't seen a decent GF since 2011. It's probably symptomatic of how poor and in decline the league is in general, but if we are insistent that this is 'the showpiece' of rugby league in this hemisphere and oppose first past the post, then we need to do something about raising the quality of the finals.

??? Just watching the replay on Sky now and I didnt see that? He goes over the top of him.

Leeds have been Great with the capital G over the last decade or so. It’s the lot of great teams to be resented in their own time, and of some of their fans to bear it with defensive ill humour. As with Liverpool in the 70s and 80s and Manchester United in the 90s and 2000s, the admiration is delayed and they become more widely treasured later. Wane’s Wigan might be Revie’s Leeds in this analogy. If it’s any consolation, if the Rhinos continue on their current trajectory their GF winning teams might start to be more fondly regarded by fans of other teams quite soon!

As for why the same two teams win so consistently, the biggest single reason is resource. You might get a Castleford or a Leicester City doing a spectacular job of swimming against the tide for a while, but ultimately money tells. Which isn’t to say that the Leeds and Wigan clubs don’t work hard or efficiently or have a positive culture or whatever, but the key building block of their success is their size and wealth, which is natural. Back when we were winning major trophies in the early- to mid-80s, we were doing stuff like breaking the transfer record. There is no great mystery to it.

I never expected the win. They are better than us and the big thing was they had a lot more creativity about them than we did.

Better season than last year, losing in finals isn’t what you want but it’s a damn site better than fighting off relegation!

Losing in finals is actually just becoming like losing normal games now. When we lost the semi to Leeds in 2011 I was absolutely gutted, that [iwas[/i our year that one! Losing the finals in 2012 and ‘13 were bad but since then the CC finals and GF defeats I don’t think we’ve been the best side in any of them and can see why we’ve lost and accept it fairly well.

We need to put more thought into the structure of our squad.

We overachieved in 2016 and 2018. No way were we a particularly top side in either year but we reached four finals and finished 1st and 4th in the league. What does that say about the rest of the league?

Nah you don’t go on your knees by accident there. The only reason is to go on the legs of Charnley, which he does.

Wigan were very lucky to still have Tomkins on the pitch and you could say his knees into Charnley would constitute an 8 point try.

Having said that Wigan were extraordinary in that game I thought. Warrington never looked like getting through. Some will say that’s Warrington playing poorly however I think it has far more to do with Wigan strangling the life out of them.

Good game I thought.

No he doesn't I've just seen the replay

If a Wigan fan had posted that I’d take it, but a Saints fan... and YOU!

The masters of choking in semi finals and disrespecting the rest of the league and making the sport look stupid by not celebrating winning the LLS, the only club in world sport who don’t celebrate winning a league yet still keep losing in semi finals?

and from a poster who goes missing for days when his stupid know-nowt predictions and comments materialise as wildly inaccurate and a liar of a man to boot - “I’ll leave this site for good if Wakey make the top 8”...?

You’ve made my morning a little easier after last night knowing I’m not you!

A game that went very much to script.
Tight, aggressive, few scoring chances and a Wigan win, which they deserved.
Hill was immense for Wire and is unlucky to be on the losing side and the game was won with the bit of extra quality that Wigan had in the halves (plus Tomkins & O'loughlin).
Warringtons halves were very, very poor and they looked a little clueless in Wigan's 20.

The best team won.

Our halves have been like that all season. Our back row is very poor as well. All they do is plod into the defensive line. That’s five places in a 13 man team that Wire have been very poor in all season (which is why we’ve signed three new back rowers for next season even with Currie to come back) yet we were the ones who finished 4th and got to two finals... same in 2016, (probably have a better squad now than we did then) yet we won the LLS and got to both finals then as well!

What the hell is the rest of this league doing?! It really is alarming that we can be getting so far with this side!

Yes, there are some top class players in there but everyone [/most] have some top class players.

Unless Tomkins suddenly develops the ability to levitate, yes he does.

There’s no reason for him to go down on to his knees. That he does shows his intentions.

Charnley dove in the corner and Williams did a soft leap over him and slid down the shallow embankment, Tomkins slides parallel to Charnley but doesn't touch him or go anywhere near him, they go to ground because the embankments are shallow at OT. I suggest you watch it again, but this time watch it without your anti Wigan glasses

You're funny!
You've lost both semi finals! Are you saying you'd rather lose 2 semis than 2 finals?

Did you watch the game in the Lake District, or do you just stay up there when saints play their important games?