Strange reaction as I recall it was the outs who were suggesting Europe would decend into conflict if we left - thus it's a fair point. Funny how people forget what they said a week ago.

As it happens the reason Europe has remained at peace is down to the control exerted by that other great hate figigure of the Liberal elite - the good old US of A.

The world nor human nature ever really changes and although personally I don't see Europe decending into a hundred year war if push came to shove I'd certainly want to be in the UK/US trench and not the French or German wrong.

I don't care what brand of phobic I'm called, the British are not and never have been continentals - we look west, we've always looked left and because of that we have a whole raft of nation to whom we have much more in common. Canada, Australia and NZ and to a lesser extent the USA and even India. The wourld didn't end on thursday the chairs simply shifted a bit.

Didn't we "make Britain great" by managing to colonise half of the world, enslaving so many, forcing our laws on them and our language? Now most of this generation just want us to stay on our little island with our fellow white people. Ironic really.

That is correct, the big players are USA, UK and you have to include the French the relationship of these three are massive but quite a lot of the time the USA is the puppeteer.

Can you imagine an EU Army based on rules and regulations giving the enemy human rights during conflict, I would imagine a future EU army would be used more for civil unrest amongst member states such as Greece, Spain and a future Turkey perhaps.

Australia has been a stand alone country since, well, since England kicked us to the curb.
Turns out that when England stopped wanting our trade (so they could trade with the EU), we could get a better price from Asia anyway.
If you've got good stuff to sell, someone will buy it these days - China or India probably.

That would be the same Empire and nation that did more than most to establish the Rule of Law, Universal Sufferage and Parlimentary Democracy. The leagccy of the empire is mixed but rather like the empire of Rome it's achievements far outweigh it's failures in the eyes of most historians.

I love idiots like you who trot out this tired leftist rubbish.

Now you name me this lilly white nation or noble race of peole who don't have a sordid past or just a past IMO.

Is it the Germans - seriously.

The French - no slave empre there.

The US - seriously.

South Africa - the one left in utter turmoild by the ex-terrorist Nelson Mandella darling ofthe chattering classed - you know he's flawed when an absolute tool like Eddie Izzard worships him.

Or should we get to those countries that can really teach us a lesson regarding democracy and human rights past and present.

Who do you want, China, Russia or india - all countries where genocide is a national past time.

Grow up.

Short term yes because we will be in transition, long term we will be back in Global Markets. We could see a shift in some of our old and possible new manufacturing moving to the lower costs of the commonwealth as we reduce the pressure of immigration that is driving wages down.

We might decide to shift our nuclear generation renewal over to Japan instead of France but we can be pretty sure the EU will want a time committed trade agreement to stretch this out. Our Fishing Industry might benefit the most at the expense of Spain as we take back and extend some control of our fishing grounds. Similarly our military software which is the envy of the world which might open up trade to Canada, Suadi Arabia, Australia and New Zealand. Also one of our biggest assets is the City Finance we will lose some company headquarters in London this will effect investment but will they see a troubled EU as a risk we don't know.

The UK has great ethnic background contributing enormously so I don't know where your "fellow white people" is coming from in your mind set.

You are right.

Britain exported so much around the world.

We gave people democracy ( just cos we nicked that of the Greeks)

We gave them the rule of law I so well remember the MagnanCarta (who cares if it was signed by and dreamt up by French Nobles)

7ou are right.

New can get some really good trade deals outside the EU

But cannot start discussing them till we are out if the EU which will be in two years time -plus the extra 4 months so the Tories can gain revenge on each other.



I cannot wait until we sign a superb gas and oil deal with Russia. It will save us a fortune in energy costs.

So what if America is unhappy with it. We will just say to the yanks bigger off it is nothing to do with you we are a strong Independent British nation we will do what we want.





Or not

This "The EU will want to play nice" stuff is so complacent, and so wrong. But then, don't listen to me. Try reading thishttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/26/the-eu-will-treat-britain-like-greece/rl

Bear in mind this is a journalist who works for a newspaper which, under orders from its tax-exile owners, backed Brexit. So this is coming from the side trying to portray Brexit in the best possible light.

At some point, reality is going to hit. Half of the UK is indulging a panglossian fantasy of unprecedented proportions.

I think you are too bogged down in a doom and gloom scenario. Its dead obvious that the EU commissioners will not want to play nice but with us importing more from the EU than what we export to the EU the individual countries like France, Spain and Germany don't want to change the status Quo, and these countries amongst others probably don't want a nasty exit, the EU commissioners are the opposite because they want to teach us a lesson of being against a federal europe of ideals.

The transition will not be short term, we will end up with some bad deals, make mistakes............but the shackles are coming off and we can trade globally, for better or worse we don't no. Put the signs up "We are a Juncker Free Zone", Junk by name and Junk by nature.

This

The key is to get into the ribs of the individual ELECTED leaders of EU countries, not the UNELECTED Brussels Eurocrats (I know we will have to negotiate with them also)

One set has a completely vested interest in keeping trade between the UK & their country as stable as possible (self-interest), the other has a completely vested interest in making it as punitive to the UK as possible (to prevent a possible flood of countries following the UK's lead - self-interest)

What I don't understand is how BREMAINers are telling us (true or not) how look, Europe are going to punish us now, they're going to be vindictive and spiteful and really try to hurt us.
AND
They can't see the reason why some of us detest the whole system partly because of that said behaviour.

They don't have to do any of this, but no they want to punish us for having the temerity to say, we'll sort our own out thank you very much.

They are a bunch of undemocratic egomaniacal psychopaths, glad to see the back of them even more than i did Friday morning

Wasn't this whole union set up with ideals of peace in Europe yet they want to antagonise us?

It was set up to guarantee peace through mutual trade and mutual prosperity - with each country ceding a small amount of sovereignty in exchange for that prosperity and security.

You can't have the mutual prosperity without ceding the sovereignty to make the single market work. Call it punishment, call it what you will, ultimately it will come to the elected heads of state of 27 member nations hammering out a common approach to the UK. That will have nothing to do with these supposedly unelected Brussels bureaucrats that the far right press enjoys demonising but everything to do with the mindset of individual countries - for them it will be what trade deal works best for their countries. So what their motivations will be (securing ongoing trade, protectionism, local difficulties, obtaining a share of key UK industries) is almost impossible to forsee. Which is why I cannot understand why anyone who has the barest understanding of international trade would vote for us to be outside our key trading bloc in the first place.