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| I think tactically Macnamara got it wrong with insufficient support on the bench which showed towards the end of the game.
Think Mossop should have been on the bench and used especially for those last 15 mins when NZ had a roll on. It was a tired head high tackle by George Burgess.
The discipline issue also seemed to be a concern. Hock kicked out of squad and Graham, arguably the Worlds best prop not playing against Australia.... Had he played and we'd won wouldn't we have faced Fiji in the semi final? Our pack against Aus were outmuscled and Tom Burgess out of his depth... Graham and SB up front it could have been different.
The 'chase' issue poorly handled where Widdop was given little game time before the semi final and when give a chance showed a more direct approach required and a lot better England performance ensued.
Despite all that they were brilliant and deserved to win!
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| Imagine how good they could have been with a good coach, quality squad management and team selection.
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| Quote: asmadasa "I think tactically Macnamara got it wrong with insufficient support on the bench which showed towards the end of the game.
Think Mossop should have been on the bench and used especially for those last 15 mins when NZ had a roll on. It was a tired head high tackle by George Burgess.
The discipline issue also seemed to be a concern. Hock kicked out of squad and Graham, arguably the Worlds best prop not playing against Australia.... Had he played and we'd won wouldn't we have faced Fiji in the semi final? Our pack against Aus were outmuscled and Tom Burgess out of his depth... Graham and SB up front it could have been different.
The 'chase' issue poorly handled where Widdop was given little game time before the semi final and when give a chance showed a more direct approach required and a lot better England performance ensued.
Despite all that they were brilliant and deserved to win!'"
Hold on! He got criticism from some quarters for not sending Graham home! Even Hock was crying about being treated differently. He took the decision to drop Graham for the Australia game but now you're saying if he'd played we might have won and played Fiji instead. Yeah, I could see everyone backing that decision. You may be right and we may have beaten Australia in the opener but there's only one person to blame for James Graham not playing and that's James Graham. He put McNamara in a position where he had no alternative. Whether he stays or goes he's done a decent enough job this time despite being let down by some big daft lads who couldn't keep off the booze for a month!
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| All the mcnamara nay sayers and people criticising his management with f*ck all knowledge of what happened can suck it
He has dealt with things strongly and that has laid a great platform for years to come, because if he hadn’t been as strong it would have sent out the wrong message, not only to our squad, but the England Knights and the Under-18s. We are striving to be No 1 in the world and if we are going to bridge that gap we have to make sure that the off-field stuff is done just as well as the on-field stuff.
I am sure Steve has got a number of career options now but I hope he stays on as England coach. A lot of people have opinions from outside and question certain things and I get all that, especially some of the selection stuff, but when you are inside and know what is happening you realise what a great job he has done. Everybody inside has 100 per cent respect for him. [/i
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| Quote: Father Ted "Imagine how good they could have been with a good coach, quality squad management and team selection.'"
dine on excrement moron. You know nothing.
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "All the mcnamara nay sayers and people criticising his management with f*ck all knowledge of what happened can suck it
He has dealt with things strongly and that has laid a great platform for years to come, because if he hadn’t been as strong it would have sent out the wrong message, not only to our squad, but the England Knights and the Under-18s. We are striving to be No 1 in the world and if we are going to bridge that gap we have to make sure that the off-field stuff is done just as well as the on-field stuff.
I am sure Steve has got a number of career options now but I hope he stays on as England coach. A lot of people have opinions from outside and question certain things and I get all that, especially some of the selection stuff, but when you are inside and know what is happening you realise what a great job he has done. Everybody inside has 100 per cent respect for him. [/i'"
Just wait for the 'but he's got to say that' posts.
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| Think he's had one competition and come oh so close to exceeding everyone's expectations it would be mad to get shut of him now.
The players back him, he's found the courage to drop ego players taken media flak that IMO no England coach has had to face in the past. The learning curve he's been through would all be wasted.
I'd give until at least after the next World Cup.
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "All the mcnamara nay sayers and people criticising his management with f*ck all knowledge of what happened can suck it
He has dealt with things strongly and that has laid a great platform for years to come, because if he hadn’t been as strong it would have sent out the wrong message, not only to our squad, but the England Knights and the Under-18s. We are striving to be No 1 in the world and if we are going to bridge that gap we have to make sure that the off-field stuff is done just as well as the on-field stuff.
I am sure Steve has got a number of career options now but I hope he stays on as England coach. A lot of people have opinions from outside and question certain things and I get all that, especially some of the selection stuff, but when you are inside and know what is happening you realise what a great job he has done. Everybody inside has 100 per cent respect for him. [/i'"
Again results speak for themselves. Time to move on, why do we continue to accept mediocrity.
2008, Australia were not just beating, but destroying everything in sight. They got caught cold by NZ. One poor performance in god knows how many years. Australia change coaches because they have such high standards!
I just cannot see how some people think 1 win in 7 against OZ & NZ makes someone a good coach. He has brought some very excellent ideas in that will benefit England long term. But he has made some very poor mistakes.
Mcnamra had put everything into this tournament and fallen short. What else can he bring over the next 4 years that he hasn't the last 3?
Oh and finally, what does Paul Anderson think of Danny Brough... Take that Brough haters
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| Mediocrity? You are clearly simply a sulking Bulls fan with personal issues re McNamara.
If you don't believe you just witnessed a very physical game between two very high-quality, evenly matched sides, you could always ask SBW - ''I don't think I have felt like that before on a footy field,'' Williams said. ''It was such an intense game. It felt like 12 rounds [in the boxing ring]. As you can see from the bruises on my face and on my body, I am pretty banged up but I will be ready to go next week."
Or ask JWH, who was in tears after the game.
Suggesting that loss was in any way comparable to previous ones we've suffered, against what is rated by many as one of the best NZ sides of all time is frankly ridiculous.
Again, McNamara's record at the Bulls is completely irrelevant to how he has done the job for England. If you don't understand that, then as I say, you're just another sulking Bulls fan. You obviously think your former player Sam Burgess is lying or too scared to say anything but good things about McNamara too.
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "dine on excrement moron. You know nothing.'"
You're getting a bit OTT here, mate. People are entitled to disagree on this issue without turning to that sort of abuse. There's been decent points made on both sides, mostly.
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| I was not a Mcnamara fan, I thought it was a mistake him getting the job.
I thought he took the right line discipline wise with the drunken players. (They really let the side down with that amateurishness)
I think he should have dropped Chase after the first 2 games, but I don't know whether Widdop was fit and in the 3rd game chase put together a decent 20 mins once we where on top so I can see why he would pick him for France hoping that his form had turned a corner. But faced with that performance he had to drop him as we would not have done better with him in the side.
Would I keep him??? On balance I would say no.
It's a close call, but he has been 4 years out of the regular coaching game, he has had 4 years to put this squad and this regime together. If there is a decent choice out there then the RFL should take it. If there is not a decent choice or only the offer of part-time then we should stick with Steve.
But the game moves on and so must we. I am not a hater and I think I was wrong with my initial thoughts on him 4 years ago. His time has been a success and he has made massive progress with the team, but if there is someone of quality available we should give them a shot too.
I rather like giving a 4 year turn around. Not too into the 1 or 2 year deals and I feel that is what we would offer steve now. A 1 year deal to see if he can pulling it off next year in the 4 nations.
Or maybe that's what we need 1 more year. Which would put the next England coach on 3 years to go one step further at the next world cup, then a year after a world cup to find a replacement.
But I would not give another 4 years, so not another WC.
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| Has he explained his bench decisions yet? I am stunned we would play a 15 man game against a brutal NZ team.
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| Quote: BrisbaneRhino "Mediocrity? You are clearly simply a sulking Bulls fan with personal issues re McNamara.
If you don't believe you just witnessed a very physical game between two very high-quality, evenly matched sides, you could always ask SBW - ''I don't think I have felt like that before on a footy field,'' Williams said. ''It was such an intense game. It felt like 12 rounds [in the boxing ring]. As you can see from the bruises on my face and on my body, I am pretty banged up but I will be ready to go next week."
Or ask JWH, who was in tears after the game.
Suggesting that loss was in any way comparable to previous ones we've suffered, against what is rated by many as one of the best NZ sides of all time is frankly ridiculous.
Again, McNamara's record at the Bulls is completely irrelevant to how he has done the job for England. If you don't understand that, then as I say, you're just another sulking Bulls fan. You obviously think your former player Sam Burgess is lying or too scared to say anything but good things about McNamara too.'"
ONE performance!! 70k at Wembley in front a
Home World Cup semi final against the word champions,
If we didn't come out firing then there's something wrong.
If I'm a sulking bulls fan why would I praise him for some of the other things he's done. My post is well balanced with pros and cons of why IMO he should go. You revert to petty insults which says everything.
If Mcnamara was a good enough coach we would have won yesterday. Only using 16 players in a game like that, one of them for 10 mins, difference between winning and losing.
We will never beat Australia/New Zealand with attitudes like yours. Those two would be looking at the hundreds of things we could have done better in that game to win.
I'll give you an example of attitudes. Charnley (who i thinks a great player) & Slater. Slater is a much better player than Chanley, yet in the opening game Charnley casually jogs back for a kick. Puts a foot out, OZ score we lose. Slater sprints for his like his life depends on it. The Aussie coaches will have drilled those sorts of plays into him, those little percent plays that make all the difference at this level. They don't just praise his stunning attack, they look at making him even better. Charnley again scored 30+ tries. Excellent wing play. But if I'd have said he needs to work on the speed he runs back for the ball I'd have been accused of knit picking, jealous bulls fan etc All about attitudes, Australia aren't super human, they're the best as they work on ALL the little things that we barely notice.
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| Quote: bewareshadows "I was not a Mcnamara fan, I thought it was a mistake him getting the job.
I thought he took the right line discipline wise with the drunken players. (They really let the side down with that amateurishness)
I think he should have dropped Chase after the first 2 games, but I don't know whether Widdop was fit and in the 3rd game chase put together a decent 20 mins once we where on top so I can see why he would pick him for France hoping that his form had turned a corner. But faced with that performance he had to drop him as we would not have done better with him in the side.
Would I keep him??? On balance I would say no.
It's a close call, but he has been 4 years out of the regular coaching game, he has had 4 years to put this squad and this regime together. If there is a decent choice out there then the RFL should take it. If there is not a decent choice or only the offer of part-time then we should stick with Steve.
But the game moves on and so must we. I am not a hater and I think I was wrong with my initial thoughts on him 4 years ago. His time has been a success and he has made massive progress with the team, but if there is someone of quality available we should give them a shot too.
I rather like giving a 4 year turn around. Not too into the 1 or 2 year deals and I feel that is what we would offer steve now. A 1 year deal to see if he can pulling it off next year in the 4 nations.
Or maybe that's what we need 1 more year. Which would put the next England coach on 3 years to go one step further at the next world cup, then a year after a world cup to find a replacement.
But I would not give another 4 years, so not another WC.'"
"His time has been a success" is pushing it a bit. The squad is manged much more professionally than in the past (something you would expect to happen moving the role to a FT position) but ATEOTD we are expected to beat any team apart from NZ and Australia, so in my eyes a measure of success is how the England team has performed under McNamara against those 2 nations, and it doesn't read well, something like 1 win in 7 games (off the top of my head)? Add to that 2 defeats by the Exiles also. Time to freshen things up IMO, 3 and half years with limited success is more than enough time to decide that someone else should take over. I don't think one outstanding performance in defeat to NZ is enough to justify keeping him on.
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| I think we should extend his contract on a rolling 12-month basis. This is what happens with Australia.
He deserves a crack at Australia and NZ in the 4N next year. This team will be pretty much the same and the experimentation is now pretty much over. If England show continued momentum then he is the right man for the WC in 2017. If not, we still have 3 years to bed a new option in.
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