I don't think so no. Hard to say without knowing the facts but I'd say it smacks of good discipline.
They are not there to be buddies they are there to do a job. If my mate let the team down I would be unhappy (mostly with him) but I would still give my best to the team



What ever the reasons, if they are justified then he has somthing more important in his life to concentrate on, and he should do that for his own well being, if it isn't then he is not giving the team his 100% and doesn't deserve to be there.

I was 'managed out' of a company because they identified me as a '3' ..... Basically, the company I worked at for many years (150 yr old engineering firm) was taken over by an over-ambitious gang of BS merchants, who loaded the company with debt and gave me the instruction to "use any method available to maximise short term revenues from clients". When I refused and stated that could only end up in the destruction of client/consultant relationship and eventual demise of the company, their answer was simple - They had no long term plan; they intended to get what they could and move on ...... I was forced out, the board took huge salaries/bonuses, and within 3 years the company was bankrupt, putting 2000 people out of work!

Maybe Hock (and I really, really, don't like the idea of him being me ) has simply pointed out to Mc that his plans are BS and wont work!

Is this a RL forum or a business management one ????

Didn't effect Wigan or his former teammates too badly this season by getting him out of their club.

If thats the case then it seems its OK to break the strict team rules about no drinking as long as you turn up for training.Seems being unable to get out of bed after a hard night on the lash is a more serious offence than just being out on the lash.Sure that will make sense to someone.No wonder the England squad are unhappy with the way this situation has been dealt with.

I cant overstate how disappointed I am with the England team. Losing to a terrible Italy side (with a couple of decent NRL players in it only) and now this.

Do the players realise how much this tournament means to the fans?

That makes absolute sense to me, how is this being turned into Macnamara's fault? The players are a disgrace.

To be honest, if the England squad are unhappy......and that's only you saying that as far as I can see......then I'd play the players from the Knights.

Losing Hock is a slight blow as he can be a game changer.... but I'm not too bothered overall.

I'd rather focus on Ferres being called up and having a chance to input into the squad. He is a good player and deserves his chance - so lets focus on that, rather than Hock and his endless issues.

Congrats Ferres.

The thing is do people think this would of happened so close to an important game if say,Mal Reilly or Shaun Edwards was in charge?.

I honestly don't think the players rate or respect the current coach, and fear the performance's in this coming tournament will reflect that

"Serious breaches" has become "series of breaches", both ofwhich no doubt distinguish Hock's case from any others who may or may not have been involved?

Irs always someone elses fault when gareth hock makes a mistake according to some of his fans. Some of the stuff we had on the wigan board earlier in the year was awesome.

Equalled by only the conspiracy theorys of 9/11 and the moon landings!

Agreed, Salford fans falling over themselves to defend Druggy Hock.... How many times we going to see that in the next few seasons ???