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| Quote: Starbug "When are all the nobbheads on here going to realise we dont have half a dozen big city potential mega clubs just waiting to despatch Leeds and Wigan from their lofty perchs at the top of RL in this country
We have what we have, any improvement to it should be applauded, to belittle it just shows how completely out of touch with reality these idiots are'"
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| Quote: Clearwing "But at some point you have to ask "where are the investors?". And if, for example, a team from a town the size of Featherstone did find their own Dr Clothcap, would they be a better bet than a city club struggling to obtain investment?'"
Yes they would. If fev found someone willing to build them an acceptable stadium and invest in them until they are of the size where they can be sustainable at this level they should definitely be in SL regardless of the bounce of a ball.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "'No plan' is really just shorthand for envisioning their role differently - as a bureaucracy providing a basic framework in which clubs operate, rather than as leaders with a very specific destination in mind.
That [iis[/i a plan.
I'm sure we'd both agree that it'd be desirable for the sport to be wealthier, the international game more competitive and higher profile and so on.
If they said, 'we've got a vision as to how we can do that and, crucially, we're going to stick with it and deliver, that'd be fine. But they always lack either the political capital or will to properly enforce the salary cap or implement franchising or force through mergers or whatever is panacea du jour. Which isn't necessarily their fault - if the clubs and fans won't follow, what can they do?
Take on a more limited and realistic remit would be a obvious approach, aiming for natural, organic growth (or, if not growth, adaptation).'" its more a plan than me saying I'm going to have a threesome with Selma Hayek and Megan Fox, then just sitting here talking to you and expecting it to happen. Whilst I have a goal, if I don't think about how I get there it isn't a plan and even if your want to call it a plan, it doesn't mean it is at all likely to happen.
It's a simple scenario, which is more likely to result in a positive outcome, the game wanting to fulfil its potential and then sitting down and deciding the best route to get there, and then doing it.
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The game wanting to fulfil its potential then just hoping it happens by chance?
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| Quote: fevrover40 "What a load of ignorant twaddle smokeyTA, Have you seen the stadium upgrades that are happening and have been happening for the last four or five years. Fev have backers and serious money is being put in and generated from some high profile sponsors and investors (Probiz, Fosters, Linpac, D.S.Smith) to name but a few. Fev are on the brink of winning the league shield for the FOURTH year on the trot so the ability to get there on a playing front is ticked as well, there are several players signing for Rovers on a full time basis for next season, turning down SL clubs to stay at the club. Please tell me if any player with SL ambitions would do this if Fev were not in that position you question.
My conclusion is that you felt with the inception of SL the "little" clubs would just curl up and die, and the fact that Fev are banging very loudly on the door makes you very uncomfortable Smokey. Get used to it, Fev have "earned" that right and should be given the opportunity.'" and chances are it will destroy them and in 5years time people will be blaming the RFL, a media conspiracy, lack of sponsors, the big clubs, Gary hetherignton, rugby union, the old boys network etc etc etc
The more clubs like fev in SL, the more likely my team is to continue lifting trophies.
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| So where are these new big city mega clubs that will enhance SL and challenge Leeds and Wigan?
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| Just round the corner Starbug.
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| Quote: Starbug "So where are these new big city mega clubs that will enhance SL and challenge Leeds and Wigan?'"
We've just fallen into Championship One...
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| Quote: Starbug "So where are these new big city mega clubs that will enhance SL and challenge Leeds and Wigan?'" They aren't anywhere. That doesn't mean we should include small clubs that have little to no chance of competing, just for the sake of it. If the league reverts to 12 teams, would Featherstone be stronger than any of the current 12 SL clubs? Do they have the potential to become stronger than any of the top 12? Would Featherstone being promoted mean replacing a relatively strong team with a weaker team with less potential? The answer is almost certainly yes. People can make up romantic ideas about them 'earning their place' but the truth is that we would be weakening Super League and crippling a relatively strong club for no reason, that's the crux of the argument.
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| Quote: Mr Churchill "If it turns out that Featrherstone and others aren't in fact good enough to break into the 12 then so be it - but the new structure will be fantastic in that it opens up the possibility.'" But a system of automatic promotion and relegation means that they will be placed into the top league regardless of whether they are good enough or not. The current system would cater for Featherstone being included if they were one of the strongest 12 clubs. The fact that they aren't and people are advocating introducing a system designed to artificially promote them regardless is absolute backwards nonsense.
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| Quote: Starbug "So where are these new big city mega clubs that will enhance SL and challenge Leeds and Wigan?'"
Dubai?
Hong Kong?
Sun City?
Toulouse?
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "
It's a simple scenario, which is more likely to result in a positive outcome, the game wanting to fulfil its potential and then sitting down and deciding the best route to get there, and then doing it.
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The game wanting to fulfil its potential then just hoping it happens by chance?'"
I'll put you down for the 'leadership, direction and vision is better than drift' faction, rather than the 'natural evolution is better than manipulation' one, then shall I?
It is a fair-ish summation of the question, though the answer isn't as obvious, IMO, as you seem to think. Invisible hand, natural selection, blah'dy, blah'dy, blah'dy.
The correct answer isn't so much a problem for me, as that we consistently duck the question or change our collective mind.
The non-fed rule is a good example, IMO. Decent idea, if the assumption that overseas players are blocking the progress of our own and that there is a wealth of domestic potential going to waste, were accurate. Orthodoxy now though is that actually there isn't enough talent to go around. 'We' don't think things through very well, and though well intentioned the interventions often don't lead where we'd like. The constant flip-flopping that follows is destabilising and everybody gets frustrated with the RFL and their 'vision'.
Fewer manipulations, fewer frustrations and less distrust - perhaps. The clubs themselves then have to face up to the tough choices, neither looking to the RFL for some miracle cure-all nor being able to blame them for rigging the game against them.
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| Headhunter - for the umpteenth time - which club do you go and watch through the turnstiles?
It's pretty obvious by your retarded posts and WUM attitude what the answer is.
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| Does anybody have a cow?
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| Quote: headhunter "They aren't anywhere. That doesn't mean we should include small clubs that have little to no chance of competing, just for the sake of it. If the league reverts to 12 teams, would Featherstone be stronger than any of the current 12 SL clubs? Do they have the potential to become stronger than any of the top 12? Would Featherstone being promoted mean replacing a relatively strong team with a weaker team with less potential? The answer is almost certainly yes. People can make up romantic ideas about them 'earning their place' but the truth is that we would be weakening Super League and crippling a relatively strong club for no reason, that's the crux of the argument.'"
WE ALREADY HAVE SMALL CLUBS WITH NO CHANCE OF COMPETING YOU PILLOCK
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| Sport shouldn't be about "can they add anything more than Castleford". It's pathetic. Stagnation is what is currently happening in SL and the most important people in that league have decided enough is enough. Little keyboard non-fans like Headhunter have no clue about the reality of running a club.
I look forward to a new era with great anticipation and the fact that idiots like Headhunter and Smokey are spitting their dummy out is a massive cherry on the top.
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