Brough? He does it for the Giants week in and week out. Sinfield does organise better but not enough to have the 6 shirt IMO.

Tomkins. Watkins, Hall, Graham etc arent suddenly going to be running round like headless chickens because Sinfield isn't there to organise. Brough is more than capable of organising. He spends a lot of time barking out instructions to his team mates. He does most of the organising for Hudds.

Correct. Burrow should go, Sinfield shouldn't. Close the thread, I'm right, no need for any more debate.

Good players, even very good players like Burrow can still have flaws.

Picking Burrow as your organising half makes about as much sense as pick Watkins as your ball playing second-rower.

Yeah that must be it, you've watched Sinfield more closely than Leeds fans who see him every week

You're either in denial or Stevie Wonder if you don't notice Sinfield being the key organiser at Leeds.

But he doesn't does he, he is wildly inconsistent .

Yes he does, and no he isn't, to put it succinctly.

So what has he consistently lead his team to?

As someone else has said; team achievements are not a fantastic measure of one individual's performance.

But team achievements maybe reflect the organiser and leader if that team.

If not that, what about individual awards, you know like golden boots, Harry Sunderland awards, lance todd trophys etc ??

Yet most people have already decided that if England do lose in the World Cup it will be solely down to the selection of Sinfield at 6.

If our pack doesnt get on top it doesnt matter who we have in the halves because the Aussies will run riot over us as they have done on countless occasions in the past.

Thankfuly it seems our pack this time really will be a match for the aussies.Lets hope it lives up to the hype.We have talked it up before as being better but how many time in the last decade have we been dominated in big games and the likes of Sinfield and Long etc.. had to play on the back foot? How many times can you think of us really winning the forwards battle and Sinfield having a chance to control a game? he has almost always played behind a beaten England pack in the big games yet in the few he hasnt, like the four nations game against NZ in 2011 he ran the show.

You are quite right though that should England get bossed in a semi or a final its already pre-determined by many that Sinfield will be the scapegoat.

Partly. I'd put it out there that Sinfield's leadership and organisation wouldn't quite be enough to take Hemel Stags to the Challenge Cup Final... Team achievements rely on a lot more than the input of one player. Brough won the Albert Goldthorpe medal in 2008 playing for a mid-table Wakefield side btw.

FWIW I would go with Brough and Sinfield as the HB pairing, so I'm not disputing that Sinfield is a very good organiser or player at all.

Is that what they're calling forward passes over in LS6 these days?

another half back masterclass from broughy last night and he only played 40 minutes!
but did more in those 40 minutes than sinfield has done all season