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Quote: Starbug "Couldn't care less if they try it or not , as long as my club doesn't become one , I can just about live with the dual reg situation although that can have significant impact on the leagues

Anything that reduces the credibility of the Championships as a stand alone ' worth winning in it's own right competition ' will just further damage a competition on it's knees right now , so I expect the RFL to announce it as from next season

So yes it might just happen , then I can start watching Miners and Easts instead'"

Why does it destroy the credibility of the competition?
Why wouldn't you want your club to have the benefits of such a partnership?
How is the competition on its knees?
And why would watching the two amateur sides be more credible?

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Quote: Wellsy13 "Why does it destroy the credibility of the competition?Why wouldn't you want your club to have the benefits of such a partnership?How is the competition on its knees?And why would watching the two amateur sides be more credible?'"
Because even with DR players clubs can be significantly strengthened or weakened for short periods of time , if it was a case of up to half a team including battle hardened SL veterans could be used it would remove credibilty , not to mention upset your actual players who could lose out financially

Because I want a competitive league , not just the best team I can arrange a loan deal for

The Championship has lost its biggest club without a genuine replacement , next season it is basically the Yorkshire league with 2 other clubs sharing a stadium in Leigh , there are more players being released by clubs than ever before , payments to players are drastically down on recent years , we still have a non paying TV deal , which means less coverage but still lost revenue due to mudweek matches

Because the competition would be about the ability of that clubs players and coaching staff , not who you can borrow

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Quote: Starbug "Because even with DR players clubs can be significantly strengthened or weakened for short periods of time , if it was a case of up to half a team including battle hardened SL veterans could be used it would remove credibilty , not to mention upset your actual players who could lose out financially '"

You still haven't said why, you've just sad it would remove credibility.
Surely if the stream of players is constant, then clubs won't be strengthened and weakened over a short period of time? They'd be constantly strengthened.

Quote: Starbug "Because I want a competitive league , not just the best team I can arrange a loan deal for '"

It would be competitive. Why wouldn't it be?

Quote: Starbug "The Championship has lost its biggest club without a genuine replacement , next season it is basically the Yorkshire league with 2 other clubs sharing a stadium in Leigh , there are more players being released by clubs than ever before , payments to players are drastically down on recent years , we still have a non paying TV deal , which means less coverage but still lost revenue due to mudweek matches '"

Why does that mean it's on it's knees? There are only 4 Championship teams in "Lancashire". Half of them are in the top tier. There could have been more Cumbrian clubs if it wasn't for cheating, a different final result and a lack of poor financial planning. The rest are expansion sides. It's not really surprising that the top league is majority Yorkshire considering 9/20 CC sides are from Yorkshire.

And if players are being released and getting less money, then surely having free players would ease the burden and allow other players to get paid more?

Quote: Starbug "Because the competition would be about the ability of that clubs players and coaching staff , not who you can borrow'"

Then perhaps you're not a supporter of the workings of professional sport? In which case, I'm surprised you haven't left the game yet altogether because all you do is complain about everything.

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Why can't SLE start and pay for its own feeder league and just invite clubs to join it?.

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Quote: j.c "Why can't SLE start and pay for its own feeder league and just invite clubs to join it?.'"

What difference would that be from the reserves or academy league? Unless you're suggesting they take on a load of semi-pro players too, which they couldn't afford?

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SLE and the championships are now 'effectivley' two seperate organisations playing under one umberella.
The championships need to start to build there own brands if they are to survive,that wont happen by taking loads of kiddies or players coming back from injuries from SL clubs,the entertainment value and quality will drop massively.

If sl has a problem producing enough players to play in sl and to a larger extent produce players capable of playing international rl then thats there problem,no one elses,hence the reason i say SL should start and pay for its own feeder league.

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Quote: j.c "SLE and the championships are now 'effectivley' two seperate organisations playing under one umberella.
The championships need to start to build there own brands if they are to survive,that wont happen by taking loads of kiddies or players coming back from injuries from SL clubs,the entertainment value and quality will drop massively.

If sl has a problem producing enough players to play in sl and to a larger extent produce players capable of playing international rl then thats there problem,no one elses,hence the reason i say SL should start and pay for its own feeder league.'"

No, it's the game's problem if we aren't producing internationals, not SL's.
What you're suggesting is SL clubs make new teams and fill them with semi-pro players to make them competitive for the sake of about 7 players. If they could afford to do that, don't you think THAT would be more damaging to the Championships than then actually becoming feeder clubs? I mean where do you reckon they'd be getting the players from?

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No,it SLE problem to increase the number of sl standard players and as a consequence,international standard players.
Its up to the championship clubs to produce championship standard players and if any of those players prove good enough then they can step up to sl,especially now that sky funding is being cut even more to the championship clubs.
I said invite new club not invent them. The clubs might already be out there,scolers,gateshead,sws, there are a number of clubs in yorkshire that might see there future as feeder clubs.Just remember these are issues for SLE and not championship problems.

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Quote: Wellsy13 "You still haven't said why, you've just sad it would remove credibility.
Surely if the stream of players is constant, then clubs won't be strengthened and weakened over a short period of time? They'd be constantly strengthened.

It would be competitive. Why wouldn't it be?

everything.'"


But the stream of players wouldn't be constant , one week you could have 7 , next week 2 , it couldn't be constant if every club wasn't a feeder club , as then some clubs could have 7 full time SL veterans playing for them , and other teams wouldn't have any , who would have SWS as a feeder club ? , so players are going to train full time in Lancashire/Yorkshire , then also train at night 150 miles away ? , Gateshead maybe ? , so clubs that are already getting hammered week on week would be playing even stronger teams ?

That's why it wouldn't be competitive

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Quote: Wellsy13 "

Why does that mean it's on it's knees? There are only 4 Championship teams in "Lancashire". Half of them are in the top tier. There could have been more Cumbrian clubs if it wasn't for cheating, a different final result and a lack of poor financial planning. The rest are expansion sides. It's not really surprising that the top league is majority Yorkshire considering 9/20 CC sides are from Yorkshire.

And if players are being released and getting less money, then surely having free players would ease the burden and allow other players to get paid more?

everything.'"


No comment on us losing our biggest club , with the replacement being Crusaders , the SL equivalent of losing W1g4n and gaining Leigh , we are to receive less money from central funding than in the past , our TV coverage will be on a channel with less profile ,

More players being released is a sign of clubs struggling , almost all clubs are stating they will be spending less this year than last , many are stating sponsorship is getting harder to find and they are getting less money for it

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Quote: Starbug "No comment on us losing our biggest club , with the replacement being Crusaders , the SL equivalent of losing W1g4n and gaining Leigh , we are to receive less money from central funding than in the past , our TV coverage will be on a channel with less profile , '"

Newsflash fella, that can happen when your not in the top league. The FL Championship lost Newcastle and gained Burnley, Portsmouth (administration) and Hull City. Was the FL Championship on its knees last year?
The best go to the top. I don't get why you think anything different should happen? It wasn't worth commenting on.

And the TV comment is massively contradictory to what you've been saying in the past. You were saying that people wouldn't go to games because they'd watch it on TV, so it wasn't worth having on. Surely having TV coverage with less profile is better in your opinion as less would watch on TV and more would go to the game? You can't have it both ways.
Quote: Starbug "More players being released is a sign of clubs struggling , almost all clubs are stating they will be spending less this year than last , many are stating sponsorship is getting harder to find and they are getting less money for it'"

That's a sign of the times unfortunately, it's not exclusive to RL. Clubs are gonna have to cut their cloth accordingly like in any walk of life. It doesn't mean it's on it's knees.

It's just needless cynicism. You're not happy unless you're complaining about something, even if it contradicts other points.

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Quote: Wellsy13 "Newsflash fella, that can happen when your not in the top league. The FL Championship lost Newcastle and gained Burnley, Portsmouth (administration) and Hull City. Was the FL Championship on its knees last year?
The best go to the top. I don't get why you think anything different should happen? It wasn't worth commenting on.



It's just needless cynicism. You're not happy unless you're complaining about something, even if it contradicts other points.'"


Yes , but the previous year the FL gained Newcastle d040.gif

They have 20 odd home games a year , we have 9

You try running a club on 9 games a year

And yes I totally disagree with Championship RL on TV for free , I'd rather we didn't have any , Thursday nights kill crowds , so why continue at all with it , with the move to Premier Sports even the argument about extra sponsorship for the local night club or builders merchant goes out the window

You are very selective in which parts of other peoples posts you respond to , very ' smokeyish ' , so keep it up , then everybody can think your a as well

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No need for feeder clubs. What about agreements between local SL and NL clubs saying we will loan out promising youngsters to them for a certain amount of time during that season. Nothing that will hinder the progression of the NL team or harm any possible SL application for them. For example Wigan - Leigh, Hull - York or Wakey/Cas - Batley. Does not even have to be that local. I personally think it helps out young players of SL teams playing in NL where they will learn loads and add potential quality to the NL team.

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Quote: Richard1 "No need for feeder clubs. What about agreements between local SL and NL clubs saying we will loan out promising youngsters to them for a certain amount of time during that season. Nothing that will hinder the progression of the NL team or harm any possible SL application for them. For example Wigan - Leigh, Hull - York or Wakey/Cas - Batley. Does not even have to be that local. I personally think it helps out young players of SL teams playing in NL where they will learn loads and add potential quality to the NL team.'"


This system is already in place its called dual register/contract.There are 4 players involved in this deal and thats enough.

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Some clubs need to send a few more young players out then. Not sure of numbers but iam sure some clubs dont use it as much as they could (which would be developmently beneficial to them instead of putting out their strongest team in the reserves). Because they will learn more in NL than in the reserves in my opinion.

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