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6731_1299024498.jpg [quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg |
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| Quote: Hedgehog King "You seem to be under the illusion that "is" only ever refers to the present when in fact it can be used to refer to the past and future as well. In the case of headhunter, he clearly used it to talk about the past extending to the present which is something normally covered by the present perfect simple tense but I'll let him off.'" No I didn't, 'is' would refer to the recent past, certainly not as far back in the past as 1995. Either way, your mention of PSG was completely and utterly irrelevant and I'm not sure what you were trying to achieve by bringing it up.
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| Quote: headhunter "No I didn't, 'is' would refer to the recent past, certainly not as far back in the past as 1995. Either way, your mention of PSG was completely and utterly irrelevant and I'm not sure what you were trying to achieve by bringing it up.'"
Having checked your post I find that tb is even more in need of a grammar book than I had thought as you didn't even say "is" but "has" i.e. present perfect simple. And present perfect simple doesn't necessarily refer to the recent past either.
Quote: headhunter "I agree completely, I've never once advocated sticking clubs in Super League based on geographic location alone, only a moron would think that to be a sensible approach and it's only ever happened once, 12 years ago. The method you are suggesting is exactly what is done, yet when clubs do start to become successful and look like challenging the status quo it suddenly becomes 'unfair' and 'corrupt'"
You referred to Bronquins (I presume) being given a SL franchise in the first SL because of their location and said that this is the only time it has happened. It wasn't 12 years ago but I let that slide. I brought up PSG because they are even a more clear cut case than Bronquins.
If you think it is irrelevant to bring up a case that contradicts what you said then there is no hope for you. It didn't happen once, it happened twice for sure and probably three times if Crusaders are included.
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6731_1299024498.jpg [quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg |
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| I was referring to Gateshead. London Broncos and Crusaders were already existing clubs who were promoted to Super League, not examples of made-up clubs who were stuck straight in the highest division with no prior basis, which is what you seemed to be basing your argument on. I don't know anything about PSG, and the fact that it is so long ago and relates to a club in a different country means it doesn't have any relevance at all. The 'is' that both myself and tb were referring to was in the second part of my post. HTH.
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Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
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| Can anybody explain to me what kind of ' services ' supplied by the RFL could add up to £ 700K over a few months ?
Over 20 grand a week for 30 odd weeks , please anybody ?
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| Quote: headhunter "I was referring to Gateshead. London Broncos and Crusaders were already existing clubs who were promoted to Super League, not examples of made-up clubs who were stuck straight in the highest division with no prior basis, which is what you seemed to be basing your argument on. I don't know anything about PSG, and the fact that it is so long ago and relates to a club in a different country means it doesn't have any relevance at all. The 'is' that both myself and tb were referring to was in the second part of my post. HTH.'"
Gateshead were formed and placed into SL before playing in the Lower leagues.
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| Quote: Starbug "Can anybody explain to me what kind of ' services ' supplied by the RFL could add up to £ 700K over a few months ?
Over 20 grand a week for 30 odd weeks , please anybody ?'"
It would appear the money was an advancement of central funds rather than for "services". See Derwents post.
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: a.n Other "It would appear the money was an advancement of central funds rather than for "services". See Derwents post.'"
So where did the term ' services ' come from ? , anybody know ?
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| Quote: Starbug "So where did the term ' services ' come from ? , anybody know ?'"
No idea. Im sure TA can make something up though.
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| Quote: headhunter "I was referring to Gateshead. London Broncos and Crusaders were already existing clubs who were promoted to Super League, not examples of made-up clubs who were stuck straight in the highest division with no prior basis, '"
One was a made-up club and I'd forgotten about it. So the "only ever happened once" seems to have happened four times....
Broncos were not promoted by winning the league or finishing second. They were awarded a place in SL on the grounds that Murdoch wanted them in - which is exactly what you were arguing had only happened once.
Crusaders got in through a very dodgy process by which the RFL made a statement that they were financially stable despite them already having county court judgements against them. According to the interview in RLW, they were missing pension payments under LS as well.
Quote: headhunter "which is what you seemed to be basing your argument on. I don't know anything about PSG, and the fact that it is so long ago and relates to a club in a different country means it doesn't have any relevance at all.'"
You couldn't make it up. I'll spell it out for you PSG were in Super League. In fact the very first game of SL was in Paris. It could hardly be more relevant since they had never played a competitive game before that (I'm not even sure that they had played any friendlies).
Quote: headhunter "The 'is' that both myself and tb were referring to was in the second part of my post. HTH.'"
Indeed, the "is" in "is done" is part of what is known as "present simple passive" which is used to explain regular processes and as such refers to past, present and future.
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| Quote: Starbug "So where did the term ' services ' come from ? , anybody know ?'"
The RFL sent down a "troubleshooting" team, presumably they want paying.
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: Hedgehog King "The RFL sent down a "troubleshooting" team, presumably they want paying.'"
At 700 k , one thing is for certain , if you're not ' in ' trouble beforehand , you certainly would be after
I am asking were did the term ' services ' in this context first get quoted , then we will know who was lying
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| Quote: Starbug "At 700 k , one thing is for certain , if you're not ' in ' trouble beforehand , you certainly would be after
700k would probably mostly be advanced TV money but with some wage payments of RFL employees but from a pedantic point of view, loans are "services" from an economic point of view insofar as they are not goods i.e. nothing physical is exchanged except perhaps a cheque.
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| Quote: Starbug "At 700 k , one thing is for certain , if you're not ' in ' trouble beforehand , you certainly would be after
It's as transparant as a Mississippi mud pie to me.
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: Hedgehog King "700k would probably mostly be advanced TV money but with some wage payments of RFL employees but from a pedantic point of view, loans are "services" from an economic point of view insofar as they are not goods i.e. nothing physical is exchanged except perhaps a cheque.'"
So a bale out then
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| Quote: Starbug "So a bale out then
It's a bail out if there is the expectation that they monies will be repaid and a subsidy if there is not.
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