FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!
  
FORUMS > The Virtual Terrace > Expansion?
209 posts in 15 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint
RankPostsTeam
Club Owner17226No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 200321 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Mar 2019Mar 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
6731_1299024498.jpg
[quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg



Quote: Hedgehog King "You seem to be under the illusion that "is" only ever refers to the present when in fact it can be used to refer to the past and future as well. In the case of headhunter, he clearly used it to talk about the past extending to the present which is something normally covered by the present perfect simple tense but I'll let him off.'"
No I didn't, 'is' would refer to the recent past, certainly not as far back in the past as 1995. Either way, your mention of PSG was completely and utterly irrelevant and I'm not sure what you were trying to achieve by bringing it up.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1034No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 200717 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Feb 2024Jul 2014LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: headhunter "No I didn't, 'is' would refer to the recent past, certainly not as far back in the past as 1995. Either way, your mention of PSG was completely and utterly irrelevant and I'm not sure what you were trying to achieve by bringing it up.'"


Having checked your post I find that tb is even more in need of a grammar book than I had thought as you didn't even say "is" but "has" i.e. present perfect simple. And present perfect simple doesn't necessarily refer to the recent past either.

Quote: headhunter "I agree completely, I've never once advocated sticking clubs in Super League based on geographic location alone, only a moron would think that to be a sensible approach and it's only ever happened once, 12 years ago. The method you are suggesting is exactly what is done, yet when clubs do start to become successful and look like challenging the status quo it suddenly becomes 'unfair' and 'corrupt'"


You referred to Bronquins (I presume) being given a SL franchise in the first SL because of their location and said that this is the only time it has happened. It wasn't 12 years ago but I let that slide. I brought up PSG because they are even a more clear cut case than Bronquins.

If you think it is irrelevant to bring up a case that contradicts what you said then there is no hope for you. It didn't happen once, it happened twice for sure and probably three times if Crusaders are included.

RankPostsTeam
Club Owner17226No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 200321 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Mar 2019Mar 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
6731_1299024498.jpg
[quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg



I was referring to Gateshead. London Broncos and Crusaders were already existing clubs who were promoted to Super League, not examples of made-up clubs who were stuck straight in the highest division with no prior basis, which is what you seemed to be basing your argument on. I don't know anything about PSG, and the fact that it is so long ago and relates to a club in a different country means it doesn't have any relevance at all. The 'is' that both myself and tb were referring to was in the second part of my post. HTH.

RankPostsTeam
Club Owner33944No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200421 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Mar 2016Mar 2016LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
9005.jpg
kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Can anybody explain to me what kind of ' services ' supplied by the RFL could add up to £ 700K over a few months ?

Over 20 grand a week for 30 odd weeks , please anybody ?

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach3356No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200520 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2014Apr 2014LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
12445.jpg
:12445.jpg



Quote: headhunter "I was referring to Gateshead. London Broncos and Crusaders were already existing clubs who were promoted to Super League, not examples of made-up clubs who were stuck straight in the highest division with no prior basis, which is what you seemed to be basing your argument on. I don't know anything about PSG, and the fact that it is so long ago and relates to a club in a different country means it doesn't have any relevance at all. The 'is' that both myself and tb were referring to was in the second part of my post. HTH.'"



Gateshead were formed and placed into SL before playing in the Lower leagues.

rlhttp://www.thunderrugby.com/page.php?id

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach3356No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200520 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2014Apr 2014LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
12445.jpg
:12445.jpg



Quote: Starbug "Can anybody explain to me what kind of ' services ' supplied by the RFL could add up to £ 700K over a few months ?

Over 20 grand a week for 30 odd weeks , please anybody ?'"



It would appear the money was an advancement of central funds rather than for "services". See Derwents post.

RankPostsTeam
Club Owner33944No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200421 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Mar 2016Mar 2016LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
9005.jpg
kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: a.n Other "It would appear the money was an advancement of central funds rather than for "services". See Derwents post.'"


So where did the term ' services ' come from ? , anybody know ?

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach3356No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200520 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2014Apr 2014LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
12445.jpg
:12445.jpg



Quote: Starbug "So where did the term ' services ' come from ? , anybody know ?'"

No idea. Im sure TA can make something up though. icon_wink.gif

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1034No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 200717 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Feb 2024Jul 2014LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: headhunter "I was referring to Gateshead. London Broncos and Crusaders were already existing clubs who were promoted to Super League, not examples of made-up clubs who were stuck straight in the highest division with no prior basis, '"


One was a made-up club and I'd forgotten about it. So the "only ever happened once" seems to have happened four times....

Broncos were not promoted by winning the league or finishing second. They were awarded a place in SL on the grounds that Murdoch wanted them in - which is exactly what you were arguing had only happened once.

Crusaders got in through a very dodgy process by which the RFL made a statement that they were financially stable despite them already having county court judgements against them. According to the interview in RLW, they were missing pension payments under LS as well.

Quote: headhunter "which is what you seemed to be basing your argument on. I don't know anything about PSG, and the fact that it is so long ago and relates to a club in a different country means it doesn't have any relevance at all.'"


You couldn't make it up. I'll spell it out for you PSG were in Super League. In fact the very first game of SL was in Paris. It could hardly be more relevant since they had never played a competitive game before that (I'm not even sure that they had played any friendlies).

Quote: headhunter "The 'is' that both myself and tb were referring to was in the second part of my post. HTH.'"


Indeed, the "is" in "is done" is part of what is known as "present simple passive" which is used to explain regular processes and as such refers to past, present and future.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1034No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 200717 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Feb 2024Jul 2014LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: Starbug "So where did the term ' services ' come from ? , anybody know ?'"


The RFL sent down a "troubleshooting" team, presumably they want paying.

RankPostsTeam
Club Owner33944No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200421 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Mar 2016Mar 2016LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
9005.jpg
kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: Hedgehog King "The RFL sent down a "troubleshooting" team, presumably they want paying.'"


At 700 k , one thing is for certain , if you're not ' in ' trouble beforehand , you certainly would be after icon_eek.gif

I am asking were did the term ' services ' in this context first get quoted , then we will know who was lying

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1034No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 200717 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Feb 2024Jul 2014LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: Starbug "At 700 k , one thing is for certain , if you're not ' in ' trouble beforehand , you certainly would be after
700k would probably mostly be advanced TV money but with some wage payments of RFL employees but from a pedantic point of view, loans are "services" from an economic point of view insofar as they are not goods i.e. nothing physical is exchanged except perhaps a cheque.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach2143
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2024Oct 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
icons3ae4_files/4583-27sowhat-msnicons.gif
Hope without planning is about as futile as waiting for a harvest without planting ------------------------------------- THE FIRST THING TO MAKE A DREAM COME TRUE,IS TO WAKE UP:icons3ae4_files/4583-27sowhat-msnicons.gif



Quote: Starbug "At 700 k , one thing is for certain , if you're not ' in ' trouble beforehand , you certainly would be after


It's as transparant as a Mississippi mud pie to me. eusa_whistle.gif

RankPostsTeam
Club Owner33944No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200421 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Mar 2016Mar 2016LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
9005.jpg
kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: Hedgehog King "700k would probably mostly be advanced TV money but with some wage payments of RFL employees but from a pedantic point of view, loans are "services" from an economic point of view insofar as they are not goods i.e. nothing physical is exchanged except perhaps a cheque.'"


So a bale out then icon_wink.gif

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1034No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 200717 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Feb 2024Jul 2014LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: Starbug "So a bale out then
It's a bail out if there is the expectation that they monies will be repaid and a subsidy if there is not.

209 posts in 15 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint
209 posts in 15 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


2.90966796875:5
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
Recent
2025 Recruitment
Bully_Boxer
169
Recent
9000 season ticket holders announced
Bombers Doub
1
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
5s
Transfer Talk V5
Ex-Swarcliff
462
9s
Merry Christmas
Victor
3
20s
2025 Recruitment
Bully_Boxer
169
28s
New Players
Victor
124
44s
Film game
karetaker
5324
1m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63080
1m
Season pass roll call
Rugby Raider
30
1m
A Year to Remember
Father Ted
2
1m
Garry Schofield
rubber ducki
14
1m
Rumours and signings v9
NickyKiss
28880
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
9000 season ticket holders announced
Bombers Doub
1
TODAY
Merry Christmas
Victor
3
TODAY
I dont think this is a good signing for the Leopards
Bent&Bon
5
TODAY
Red Devils sign International forward
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Hospitality packages including new refurbished Foxs Bar
AgbriggAmble
10
TODAY
Offiah on Salary Cap
Shifty Cat
11
TODAY
removing posts
Spookisback
5
TODAY
Season pass roll call
Rugby Raider
30
TODAY
Positivity Pact
Sebasteeno
3
TODAY
Jack Coventry
Wanderer
1
TODAY
A Year to Remember
Father Ted
2
TODAY
2025 Annual
JamieRobinso
1
TODAY
2025 KIT Thread
Sadfish
1
TODAY
NRL Kick Off Rules
stpatricks
7
TODAY
Garry Schofield
PopTart
6
TODAY
Out of contract 2025
Wires71
8
TODAY
Gary Schofield
hull2524
10
TODAY
Joe Phillips
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Andy Ellis
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Manoa Wacokecoke
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Jeylan Hodgson
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Mackenzie Harman
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Ben Dent
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Callum Rutland
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Harry Aldous
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Jack Aldous
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Garry Schofield
rubber ducki
14
TODAY
Lennon Bursell
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Brett Ferres
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Reece Dean
Wanderer
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
941
England's Women Demolish The W..
787
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1041
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
836
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1112
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1636
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
1886
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2142
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1716
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
1955
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2422
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
1864
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
1951
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
2135
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
2266
POSTSONLINEREGISTRATIONSRECORD
19.64M 1,258 ↓-6880,15414,103
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.

When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
RLFANS Match Centre
There are currently no matches to display.
Matches on TV
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 13 385 162 223 22
St.Helens 12 329 124 205 18
Warrington 12 302 151 151 18
Hull KR 12 326 183 143 16
Catalans 12 252 168 84 16
Salford 12 216 252 -36 14
 
Leeds 12 214 238 -24 12
Huddersfield 12 250 245 5 10
Leigh 12 250 222 28 9
Castleford 12 214 374 -160 7
Hull FC 12 144 416 -272 2
LondonB 12 130 476 -346 2
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
Recent
2025 Recruitment
Bully_Boxer
169
Recent
9000 season ticket holders announced
Bombers Doub
1
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
5s
Transfer Talk V5
Ex-Swarcliff
462
9s
Merry Christmas
Victor
3
20s
2025 Recruitment
Bully_Boxer
169
28s
New Players
Victor
124
44s
Film game
karetaker
5324
1m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63080
1m
Season pass roll call
Rugby Raider
30
1m
A Year to Remember
Father Ted
2
1m
Garry Schofield
rubber ducki
14
1m
Rumours and signings v9
NickyKiss
28880
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
9000 season ticket holders announced
Bombers Doub
1
TODAY
Merry Christmas
Victor
3
TODAY
I dont think this is a good signing for the Leopards
Bent&Bon
5
TODAY
Red Devils sign International forward
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Hospitality packages including new refurbished Foxs Bar
AgbriggAmble
10
TODAY
Offiah on Salary Cap
Shifty Cat
11
TODAY
removing posts
Spookisback
5
TODAY
Season pass roll call
Rugby Raider
30
TODAY
Positivity Pact
Sebasteeno
3
TODAY
Jack Coventry
Wanderer
1
TODAY
A Year to Remember
Father Ted
2
TODAY
2025 Annual
JamieRobinso
1
TODAY
2025 KIT Thread
Sadfish
1
TODAY
NRL Kick Off Rules
stpatricks
7
TODAY
Garry Schofield
PopTart
6
TODAY
Out of contract 2025
Wires71
8
TODAY
Gary Schofield
hull2524
10
TODAY
Joe Phillips
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Andy Ellis
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Manoa Wacokecoke
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Jeylan Hodgson
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Mackenzie Harman
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Ben Dent
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Callum Rutland
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Harry Aldous
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Jack Aldous
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Garry Schofield
rubber ducki
14
TODAY
Lennon Bursell
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Brett Ferres
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Reece Dean
Wanderer
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
941
England's Women Demolish The W..
787
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1041
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
836
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1112
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1636
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
1886
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2142
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1716
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
1955
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2422
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
1864
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
1951
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
2135
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
2266


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!