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30950_1311692142.jpg Don't regret the rules I broke, when I die...
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| This is what comes from trying to expand to quickly. The RFL are to blame. They trumpet expansion but do not give it enough financial support. If it wasn't for David Hughes Harlequins would be in the same boat.
When it comes to professional sport I have little sympathy for a badly run business. You're selling a people a dream. If there isn't the business acumen to back that up you're ruining people's lives. People care passionately about sport. Bad business messes with emotions. No one has the right to do that.
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| Quote: J20 "As they should with Quins or whatever and Skolars then. Reward those putting in the graft to develop the game
I agree with you. London RL should develop on its merits. Promotion and relegation should be brought back. Proper competition.
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45011_1321315422.jpg This isn't a sleeping giant, it's a giant! Denis Betts Nov 2010
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| Quote: crucrucrusaders "Samuel put the final nail in our coffin.
Gutted.'"
Unfortunately mate that's it! The guy has history and RFL should of been wary. When he said no SL no Crusaders you just knew bad things were coming. Very silly for new owners not to have made number one business priority to have cleared his mess before stacked up. After this years 'boom' investors may be interested though at least a silver lining there!
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| Quote: crucrucrusaders "Samuel put the final nail in our coffin.
Gutted.'"
Although it looks bleak, as a London supporter from day one I've been through this many times and we're still here. Hope you get through this as I've really enyoyed being able to get to games on a regular basis again!
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| Radio Wales are reporting that the club are not in administration.
Apparently the club and Samuels deny the article, in the main, is correct.
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| Quote: crucrucrusaders "
I am going to wait for the facts. '"
That's a novel approach - it will never catch on here.
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| We are not in administration. Don't believe a word of it. I hope we can take the sun to court over it.
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| Then you can pay the tax bill, and the outstanding CCJs, and the outstanding pension payments, and John Sharpe.
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| Statement on official site says we're not in administration but it doesn't sound good.
Also somebody has called the club and they have confirmed a lot of the debts are historic debts run up by previous owners.
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| Quote: crucrucrusaders "Statement on official site says we're not in administration but it doesn't sound good.
Also somebody has called the club and they have confirmed a lot of the debts are historic debts run up by previous owners.'"
Guessing no one decide to do due dilligence before the 'sale' went through then
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| I suspect though that the debts passed to the new owners who agreed to sort them out.
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| Quote: J20 "Guessing no one decide to do due dilligence before the 'sale' went through then
The due diligence thing applies to the new owners, and if the problems are to do with the old owners then I'm not sure how that would affect anything.
The statement on the website isn't the most confident. Although it states that they were not in administration "last night", it doesn't rule it out for the future, and only says that a statement will be released in the future.
Maybe administration wouldn't be a bad thing, as they could get rid of the Samuels legacy and start afresh, although it would deny them the Super League in 2012.
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| Maybe the administration is what they are working with the RFL for.
To check if administration meant we are denied a place in SL 2012. I would not be happy if we got SL in place of another club if we did enter administration but if they could demonstrate the majority of debt was built up by the previous owners and the new management ran the club well could they possibly get away with going into administration and keep the SL place?
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| Quote: crucrucrusaders "Maybe the administration is what they are working with the RFL for.
To check if administration meant we are denied a place in SL 2012. I would not be happy if we got SL in place of another club if we did enter administration but if they could demonstrate the majority of debt was built up by the previous owners and the new management ran the club well could they possibly get away with going into administration and keep the SL place?'"
Didn't work for Widnes so I’m not sure if the Crusaders would be able to retain their SL place should they go into administration.
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| Quote: Khlav Kalash "Didn't work for Widnes so I’m not sure if the Crusaders would be able to retain their SL place should they go into administration.'"
No, which is why I think we're trying to stave off administration.
Another thing that has just come to me is using administration as a bargaining tool. A lot of the creditors will slow down their pursuit for payment or renegotiate repayments if they feel they are going to get a fraction of what they are owed or so many pence in the £.
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