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| Quote: gutterfax "but transplanting teams into non League areas is a long term strategy that Superleague doesn't need to repeat just yet. Paris failed last time, Gateshead and Cumbria weren't a success either and depending on who you talk to, the jury's still out on London.
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Firstly, when did Cumbria become a non League area ??
Secondly, Workington are the only Cumbrian team to have played in Super League and that was way back in 1996. Although they were relegated after just 1 season (relegation....remember that ??), you can hardly tar Cumbrian RL with that brush 14 years later !
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| Quote: dally messenger "just for you wellesey because you cant read, i would support a SA NRL license but not at the cost of our planned expansion, which is exactly what ive argued here, but you are too thick to work out.
its like having teeth pulled out i tell you'"
I can't read? My username is on the same screen, and you can't read it properly to type it back... But OK!
Anyways, ignoring the pettiness, you have basically proved hypercritical again when it comes to what SL should do and what the NRL should do. When it comes to putting in Paris (an area with no league interest, but a union club willing to fund it) ahead of Toulouse (planned expansion), you say "if you want to expand into a tough market, what better way than linking up with a club which is already established there?"
But when it comes to a similar situation in the NRL , you say "I would support a SA NRL license but not at the cost of our planned expansion".
Now, either you're a hypocrite, or you're just not very good at talking. Because last time I checked, you was arguing that there isn't a better way to expand into a tough market than linking up with another club already there; but now you're arguing that you would support planned expansion over this?
You can't argue for both/ It's either one or the other. If you could make up your mind, people might understand what the hell you're going on about!
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| you are too hypercritical there wellsey
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6679_1399761959.png [quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow]
[quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png |
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| Quote: SRC "Firstly, when did Cumbria become a non League area ??'"
when less than 1,200 turned up to a game and the team were cr4p...because the region wouldn't buy into the whole SL thing....
Quote: SRC "Secondly, Workington are the only Cumbrian team to have played in Super League and that was way back in 1996. Although they were relegated after just 1 season (relegation....remember that ??), you can hardly tar Cumbrian RL with that brush 14 years later !'"
...why? Are you saying a ("n" individual )cumbrian team would manage better gates? Sorry, but lower crowds than PSG, a worse team and the infighting that went on then doesn't bode well for a new Cumbrian SL side.....Better get yourselves sorted regarding where you will be based, what you will be called and how your fans will get to home games before spitting your dummy out. I know quins fans who travel 50+ miles to home games....but at kleast they can have a snooze on the tube on the way home....cumbrian fans would need to drive, therefore not drink AT ALL and wouldn't be back every week....simple as.
Not knocking Cumbria, just pointing out the bare financial reality that comes with a team representing a small country's worth of landfall.....
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| Quote: dally messenger "you are too hypercritical there wellsey'"
Do you even know what hypercritical means?
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "Do you even know what hypercritical means?
im saying your post was hypercritical.
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| I think Dally has a point somewhere, he's just awful at putting it across and I have no idea what it is.
Get back to school mate, start reading what people have actually posted and look up the meaning of words that you don't understand. At the moment you come across like a 13 year old kid who's got no experience of debate and struggles making sense of other peoples opinions if they don't agree with yours.
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| Quote: Dnats Ynnepeerht "start reading what people have actually posted .'"
He fails to do this with unalarming regularity. It's his forte.
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| Quote: Dnats Ynnepeerht "I think Dally has a point somewhere, he's just awful at putting it accross and I have no idea what it is.
Get back to school mate, start reading what people have actually posted and look up the meaning of words that you don't understand. At the moment you come accross like a 13 year old kid who's got no experience of debate and struggles making sense of other peoples opinions if they don't agree with yours.'"
how can you tell the difference between how a 13 year old kid comes across compared to a 15 year old?
i dont spend a lot of times with kids so i cant tell.
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "What club would that be then? Because last time I checked, Stade Francais XIII was not an established club in Paris. They have an established union team, but so what? What has changing London Broncos to Harlequins Rugby League done for them?
If a S14 club from South Africa decided to put in an NRL bid, would the NRL drop everything for them?'"
The NRL would not drop everything. FWIW, I think they should - South Africa could potentially offer a arge new broadcast revenue stream as the Warriors/Sky TV NZ did for the NRL - however, South Africa is a market more than twice as large as Australia, and their huge TV market for the Springboks and Tri Nations (and to a lesser extent the Super 14) is the main driver for the large value of the SANZAR TV deals for Australian and NZ Rugby Union. Comparing RSA to France is not exactly valid because each has different social dynamics, a different history. Stade Francais is probably not a realistic proposition for a Super League franchise, however the Eastern Cape's Southern Kings (or Southern Spears), as I discussed here for an NRL or Super League franchise
Also, Cape Town could also support a RL franchise at the new Green Point Stadium. The city already is host to Rugby Union teams at Newlands Stadium, Super 14 franchise the Stormers, the best supported team in either code of Rugby in the world, with an average attendance of over 42,000 per match, and Currie Cup team Western Province. Western Province will be very reluctant to move they, the Stormers, or any Springbok games to Green
Point, as they own the Newlands Stadium, and it is their traditional ground.
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| Quote: dally messenger "im saying your post was hypercritical.'"
I gathered that. And since I haven't said anything to contradict something else I've said in that post, or had two separate opinions on the same thing, I fail to see where I am being hypercritical, which is why I am questioning whether you actually know what the word means!
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| Quote: The Observer "The NRL would not drop everything. FWIW, I think they should - South Africa could potentially offer a arge new broadcast revenue stream as the Warriors/Sky TV NZ did for the NRL - however, South Africa is a market more than twice as large as Australia, and their huge TV market for the Springboks and Tri Nations (and to a lesser extent the Super 14) is the main driver for the large value of the SANZAR TV deals for Australian and NZ Rugby Union. Comparing RSA to France is not exactly valid because each has different social dynamics, a different history. Stade Francais is probably not a realistic proposition for a Super League franchise, however the Eastern Cape's Southern Kings (or Southern Spears), as I discussed here for an NRL or Super League franchise
Also, Cape Town could also support a RL franchise at the new Green Point Stadium. The city already is host to Rugby Union teams at Newlands Stadium, Super 14 franchise the Stormers, the best supported team in either code of Rugby in the world, with an average attendance of over 42,000 per match, and Currie Cup team Western Province. Western Province will be very reluctant to move they, the Stormers, or any Springbok games to Green
Point, as they own the Newlands Stadium, and it is their traditional ground.'"
Just because there are big union clubs doesn't make it any easier for rugby league to take off. I don't see how you have come to that conclusion? South Africa is a big market, but so is America. What's the difference?
Expansion plans should not be dropped for the sake of some rich backer in a random place saying they want a franchise. To me, it's pretty insulting that people think it is that easy to run a professional rugby league club that all they need is a wad of cash. There's more to professional sport than money.
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "I gathered that. And since I haven't said anything to contradict something else I've said in that post, or had two separate opinions on the same thing, I fail to see where I am being hypercritical, which is why I am questioning whether you actually know what the word means!'"
nah i didnt say you are being hypocritical, just that your post was hypercritical.
i like to be positive myself.
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6679_1399761959.png [quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow]
[quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png |
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| Quote: Wellsy13 " There's more to professional sport than money.'"
.....that said, it does help to have a backer with deep pockets. Catalans & Quins are 2 "new" clubs that are propped up by backers......and Ian Lenegan isn't exactly on the breadline at Wigan either.
I reckon that between 10k and 12k average gates are needed to be self sufficient and there aren't that many clubs in SL running on that average at present.........so the money men with the dedication to keep on spending are vital to RL in the UK.....AT THE MOMENT!
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| Quote: gutterfax ".....that said, it does help to have a backer with deep pockets. Catalans & Quins are 2 "new" clubs that are propped up by backers......and Ian Lenegan isn't exactly on the breadline at Wigan either.
I reckon that between 10k and 12k average gates are needed to be self sufficient and there aren't that many clubs in SL running on that average at present.........so the money men with the dedication to keep on spending are vital to RL in the UK.....AT THE MOMENT!'"
Most definitely helps, you're right. But pockets are only so deep, and backers will not necessarily want a return, but want the club to be self-sufficient in the end. Catalans look likely they could achieve this one day. Quins don't. Catalans aren't exactly a new area either, there's been RL there for decades which is why they've found it easier to get interest unlike Quins and Crusaders.
You plonk a side in SA, a place where there's no interest in RL at this time, and you'll be throwing your money down the drain.
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