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Quote: JB Down Under "err they didn't, hence why it took 80 years before the game moved beyond two states of the country at the top level and still has 14 out of 16 teams in the same areas.'"


so pre 1908 how did RL expand to become what it is today, australias number 1 sport?

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Quote: pyeman "london has hads it own rl competition for 30 years, doesnt mean it made much of a differance.'"



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the brisbane competition was stronger than RL is in england today you goose.

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Quote: Barnacle Bill "Correct, otherwise I would imagine that in 113 they might have done so. And strictly speaking there is still no benefit to clubs for geographical expansion per se. It is simply that there are targets for crowd size, if additional supporters can be gained from outside the traditional catchment areas then so be it.




Geographical expansion never has been and still, is not a requirement of any individual club. And McDonalds?'"


look ill make this simple for you

some RL clubs have been very succesful over 100 + years. clubs like wigan, leeds stand out over that time. theyve done all the right things regarding marketing, juniors etc.

for much of the rest its their own fault theyve got left behind

clearly the problem with RL in england is too many poor clubs hanging onto the coattails of the success generated by the strong clubs

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i love the double standard.

whenever its a failed heartland clubs its always the RFLs fault.

when an expansion club fails its their own fault


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Quote: pyeman "Thats your response to a valid point that doesnt agree with you?


laughter is my response when i find something funny

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Quote: dally messenger "look ill make this simple for you

some RL clubs have been very succesful over 100 + years. clubs like wigan, leeds stand out over that time. theyve done all the right things regarding marketing, juniors etc.

for much of the rest its their own fault theyve got left behind

clearly the problem with RL in england is too many poor clubs hanging onto the coattails of the success generated by the strong clubs'"


But according to you it is as much Wigan and Leeds' fault that the game has not expanded. Do make up your mind.

Please explain your hypothesis that somehow "poor clubs" have prevented geographical expansion of the game, which I think, is the argument you are making.

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Quote: Barnacle Bill "But according to you it is as much Wigan and Leeds' fault that the game has not expanded. Do make up your mind.

Please explain your hypothesis that somehow "poor clubs" have prevented geographical expansion of the game, which I think, is the argument you are making.'"


nope wigan are pretty much my idea of a perfect SL club.

if leeds fixed headingly theyd be perfect too.

Hull FC, warrington are clearly the idea of SL clubs and hudds getting there.

Hull KR are the benchmark for the rest of how a small club should go about improving itself.

if you have 14 clubs like wigan or leeds, you wouldnt need threads like this

RL would be a whole lot bigger

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Quote: dally messenger "nope wigan are pretty much my idea of a perfect SL club.

if leeds fixed headingly theyd be perfect too.

Hull FC, warrington are clearly the idea of SL clubs and hudds getting there.

Hull KR are the benchmark for the rest of how a small club should go about improving itself.

if you have 14 clubs like wigan or leeds, you wouldnt need threads like this

RL would be a whole lot bigger'"


But we dont and we never will have clubs like that from area's that dont already play the game , or are you suggesting we have a 6 team SL ?

I know you wont answer this question

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Quote: Starbug "But we dont and we never will have clubs like that from area's that dont already play the game , or are you suggesting we have a 6 team SL ?

I know you wont answer this question'"


i think SL could easily have 14 big heartland clubs

easily.

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Quote: Starbug "Too small already , you are never going to have more than 3/4 clubs in the Championship in a position to move up to SL , the focus should be on having as many as possible [ hopefully all one day ] self sufficient , ie they earn enough money to pay all their expenses of operating

How you do that is the problem'"


Got to disagree there, the championship teams shoud have to apply for a franchise every time it comes around. They must be in a position to at least put in a bid to be able to play in the championship. I say 8 maybe 10 teams.

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It supported a multim illion pound tv deal, had 35 teams from 3 nations, had a nationaly televised cup competition with 95 teams from 4 nations and drew over a hundred thousand people in each week?

i would be impressed if that were true duck icon_lol.gif

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Quote: dally messenger "i love the double standard.

whenever its a failed heartland clubs its always the RFLs fault.

when an expansion club fails its their own fault


You're the one with a double standard, you don't compare like for like, to you a heartland team gaving their own ground that isn't very nice should be compared as a failure with Crusaders not having a fixed home ground and a temporary financial set back at a heartland club should be compared to Paris ceasing to exist

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Quote: dally messenger "who says its imprudent?
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The RFL throwing millions at Crusaders is imprudent.

Expansion is a good if it benefits the sport, not as a charity. Spending millions getting a SL club in Wrexham watched by 3000 people (most of them away fans) isn't prudent, it is stupidity that harms the sport. Spending money the sport can't afford on the slight off chance a club might turn a small profit in 20 years is ludicrous and doesn't benefit the sport, I'd rather see the money spent on getting more people playing the game at amateur level and getting a semi-pro club for each region of the country (i.e. not just token non-English clubs)

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Quote: bowes "The RFL throwing millions at Crusaders is imprudent.
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And this is happening, is it?

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