Thats one description for a garbage player.

What makes me laugh is the argument that a player in his late 20s or early 30s is somehow more valid than a young kid with his career ahead of him.

Winterstein may well turn out to be one of the best overseas signings of the season, we'll have to wait and see.

I think Marsdengiant's talking e. Has he forgot about Chris Nero, he played no more than 5 games in the NRL and was twice the player Mick De Vere was.

yes, if you want to pretend Pitts, Bibb, Murphy, Blake are first team players

and you pretend Westwood, Mason, Blaymire, Brough, Snitch are the quality of player like Peacock, Fielden, Pryce, Yeaman, Horne, Cooke

but why would we pretend that

well done on arguing against your own point

thats the reason they arent getting flack for it, but Moa still isnt the player we should be bringing over

3 Anti Wakey posters and how many pages, you just don't learn do you

its not the valididty of his signing, however much you pretend it is,

its the validity of his signing when he is added to the 10 other players who have come from overseas

you can make all the lists you want regarding players like March and Spicer

it doesnt get away from the fact the the league isnt producing enough players to sustain it, evidenced by Wakefield, and HKR and Wigan and others needing soooooooo many overseas players because clubs like those mentioned are taking the easy option of relying on NRL rejects,

Yes, it's almost double and credit must go to Leeds for that superb achievement. But, putting aside issues like catchment area, finances etc - perhaps Leeds have also had a bit of luck along the way. Whilst the likes of Burrows and McGuire are top-notch homegrown players, will Leeds be able to produce a couple of halves good enough to replace them in the next five years? Possibly, but by no means definitely.

A top youth system will consistently produce decent players, but not always first-team players. Taking halves as an example, Saints who also boast an impressive youth set up brought both of theirs in from other clubs.

It's so easy to label certain signings as 'NRL reserve grade' and write them off as such, but until they've had a good pop at super league, how can they be written off? Especially when many big name 'NRL first graders' have failed to make an impact.

thats understandable, and it isnt a problem, everyone (pretty much) accepts that you cant always bring through a quality youngster in that position at the time they are needed, at leeds we have McShane who will be the partner for Diskin and eventually take over for him, but right now he isnt ready to that, so Buderus is brought in for a couple of years, there is no problem with clubs working like this,

but when you are looking at having 10 or 11 overseas players, it isnt that you simply dont have players in that position, its that you dont have them at all, and there has to be a downside of this,
Wakefield have 3 overseas players who can play hooker, is there really not a youngster at Wakefield good enough to be 3rd choice hooker? shouldnt a club unable to produce a 3rd choice hooker of sufficient quality see a downside of such a pathetic effort?

do they really need 3 centres from Australia/NZ when they have Atkins and Gleeson?

do they really need both Peterson and Blanch when they have George, and Murphy?



But that isnt the point, the point isnt whether Winterstein will provide value for money, the point is Wakefield (among others) taking the easy option of going and picking up and antipodean player and taking a punt on them than scouting or bringing through a british player,

in isolation there isnt a huge amount wrong with the Winterstein signing, added to the 10 others there is

so the same as yours then,

and isnt this a forum, for people expressing opinions? or were you expecting a list of contextless facts?

Yes same as mine.

I love to hear posters opinions, well balanced ones are the best though, even fair and open minded will do for me, but i'm not so keen on drivel and thats the point you step in.

Still its a free country so do carry on please.

thank you for your permission,

to move on from your attempts at deflecting the argument,

do you think it is a good thing that in their 11th year of SL Wakefield will be using 11 antipodeans?

did you expect better? or do you truly believe that Wakefield do everything in their power to bring through as many quality young players as they can?

and if you do, how would you counter the argument that Wakefield simply arent a sustainable SL entity?

And clubs like Leeds and Bradford monopolising the junior talent doesn't help things either. They sign a big bulk of talent nurture a few and dump the remainding lads who subsequently leave the game feeling bitter and disgruntled.

Perhaps a cap should be placed on the number of players a team can have on its scholarship scheme thus spreading the talent more evenly. Granted the bigger/better clubs will still get the best players but the ones who would have been disgarded may well get a chance at other clubs.

You've also got to remember different players develop at different speeds and some don't come to the fore til they're in their twenties one such example being Kirke at Leeds who was 25 before he made his first team debut.

As for this not being an anti Wakey, well its obvious Marsden and smokey clearly hold a massive grudge against our club. To be fair no one else has bothered apart from another midget Wes Hooligan which is a great name for a supporter of a so called family game. Maybe a name change and some growing up is needed hey Wes?