|
 |
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 8675 | Hull FC |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2006 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Apr 2025 | Feb 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Minichello tackled a Wakefield player on Friday, and was trying to get up. Danny Brough was moving into dummy half and was nudging Minichiello with his knee and keeping him on the floor, and in the way and Brough gets the penalty.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 2794 | Leigh Centurions |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2013 | 12 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jun 2023 | Jun 2023 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| 2 cases of point.
1. Saints Dominic Peyroux is tackled with tackler underneath him during tackling motion but rolls off, Peyroux then deliberately climbs back on top of the tackler *as if he wants to dry hump him* & holds the tackler down while getting up & stepping over him to the play the ball guess where ? Got it straight at the tackler he pinned down for some brotherly love !!! Result, penalty to Saints, WTF ?
2. Melbourne v Brisbane, tackled player steps over prone tackler & plays the ball straight at him, result, play on !
|
|
|
|
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2022 | Aug 2022 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| The rules as written are fine just apply them all, if atackled player gets up quickly plays the ball correctly then penalise any player who deliberately gets involved if they try to get out of the way & are not involved play on. Interestingly the rules say place or drop the ball & play it backwards? Tey dropping it now & not give away a scrum for a knock on. Surely the RFLmust know that the play the ball is a mess that infuriates most spectators? I would love to go back to a time when trying to win a penalty was considered cheating & beyond contempt.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 15521 | Wakefield Trinity |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2010 | 15 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2020 | May 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote Beverley red="Beverley red"The rules as written are fine just apply them all'"
This is pretty much the answer to most niggles with RL - the problem we have is that officials seem to be adapting and evolving the rules on the fly - in pursuit of a faster and faster game - and that leaves coaches and players with the leeway to also adapt and evolve how they'll exploit them.
This relatively new and easily exploitable purge on tacklers in the ruck is just the latest example - of the matches I saw at the weekend, I'd say that more than half the penalties awarded for that offence were unnecessary and involved some form of cheating by the attacking player; it's not a good look for the game.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 6767 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2007 | 17 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2024 | Apr 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote Ste100Centurions="Ste100Centurions"2 cases of point.
1. Saints Dominic Peyroux is tackled with tackler underneath him during tackling motion but rolls off, Peyroux then deliberately climbs back on top of the tackler *as if he wants to dry hump him* & holds the tackler down while getting up & stepping over him to the play the ball guess where ? Got it straight at the tackler he pinned down for some brotherly love !!! Result, penalty to Saints, WTF ?
'"
Tackler didn't roll off quick enough, Peyroux always goes for a quick PTB and he knew the tackler couldn't roll away to the side because Peyroux's legs were in the way, a 50-50 decision in our favour because Peyroux did not hold the player down.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Moderator | 8480 | Hull FC |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2004 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Apr 2025 | Feb 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
Moderator
|
| Quote Judder Man="Judder Man"Tackler didn't roll off quick enough, Peyroux always goes for a quick PTB and he knew the tackler couldn't roll away to the side because Peyroux's legs were in the way, a 50-50 decision in our favour because Peyroux did not hold the player down.'"
So that is gamesmanship as Peyroux knowingly prevented a player rolling out the way by standing over him and unfortunately gameship has really crept in to RL recently and unless the RFL and the referees get a grip it will just mean the sport descending in to farce.
If a player makes a tackle and ends up in a position where they can not roll away due to the attacking player stood with a leg either side and the ball is deliberatley played into the prone defender then it should be play on or a penalty to the defending team for deliberately playing for a penalty.
In the Hull V Wakefield game Brough knew exactly what he was doing and deliberately stood over Minichello (to trap him) as he was in the process of rolling away from the tackled player, who then stood up and played the ball and Brough then let it hit Minichello and waved his arms for the penalty and was rewarded for his gamesmanship which is pretty much cheating for a penalty.
Another poor decision in the same game was Taylor being penalised for having a Wakefield player who he had tackled laid on top of him writhing around to gain a penalty when all he had to do was stand up as Taylor was clearly no holding him down but was unable to clear the area as the Wakefield player was laid on top making no attempt to get up. Similarly Jacob Miller running directly at a static Hull defender and throwing himself dramatically to the floor to yet again gain a penalty by conning the ref.
These are the areas refs need to seriously clean up otherwise the game will be ruined.
If an opposing player stands over a player that made a tackle then the ref should either let play go on or penalise the attacking player for simulation same as in football for diving.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 4716 | Warrington Wolves |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2015 | 10 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Apr 2025 | Feb 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| The ptb is a horror show at present. Defenders lying on, players flopping onto tackled players (why isn't that penalised anymore?). Attackers moving off the mark, trapping defenders with their arms. Ball stealing v loose carries. Its a bit like RU scrums in the sense that who gets penalised is a lottery.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 6767 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2007 | 17 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2024 | Apr 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote Chris71="Chris71"So that is gamesmanship as Peyroux knowingly prevented a player rolling out the way by standing over him and unfortunately gameship has really crept in to RL recently and unless the RFL and the referees get a grip it will just mean the sport descending in to farce.
If a player makes a tackle and ends up in a position where they can not roll away due to the attacking player stood with a leg either side and the ball is deliberatley played into the prone defender then it should be play on or a penalty to the defending team for deliberately playing for a penalty.
In the Hull V Wakefield game Brough knew exactly what he was doing and deliberately stood over Minichello (to trap him) as he was in the process of rolling away from the tackled player, who then stood up and played the ball and Brough then let it hit Minichello and waved his arms for the penalty and was rewarded for his gamesmanship which is pretty much cheating for a penalty.
Another poor decision in the same game was Taylor being penalised for having a Wakefield player who he had tackled laid on top of him writhing around to gain a penalty when all he had to do was stand up as Taylor was clearly no holding him down but was unable to clear the area as the Wakefield player was laid on top making no attempt to get up. Similarly Jacob Miller running directly at a static Hull defender and throwing himself dramatically to the floor to yet again gain a penalty by conning the ref.
These are the areas refs need to seriously clean up otherwise the game will be ruined.
If an opposing player stands over a player that made a tackle then the ref should either let play go on or penalise the attacking player for simulation same as in football for diving.'"
What you see sometimes with refs is that they judged who dominated the tackle impact and give the advantage to the dominator, what you saw with Peyroux was aggression to play the ball on his terms and hence won the benefit of the doubt.
Its when you see a slow ruck maul and the player gets dominated but moves way forward off the mark, sometimes you see a player stepping laterally to the side to play the ball into a player who has rolled to the side, those 2 incidents are definitely penalties to the defending side.
Another problem is the ref turns his head away from the PTB to set the 10 metres that could be only 2 seconds but when looks again to the PTB he sees a different scenario and makes a calculated decision, we really need 2 referees one to police the PTB and one to set the defensive line.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 310 | Wigan Warriors |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2010 | 15 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2021 | Sep 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote Captain Hook="Captain Hook"The ptb is a horror show at present. Defenders lying on, players flopping onto tackled players (why isn't that penalised anymore?). Attackers moving off the mark, trapping defenders with their arms. Ball stealing v loose carries. Its a bit like RU scrums in the sense that who gets penalised is a lottery.'"
Flops stopped getting penalised a few years back, certainly something i noticed. not sure why. It's just not penalised unless its 10 minutes late. Every single player moves off the mark now. To me, if you step over a player, you're moving off the mark, and thats a penalty, but what do i know.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 15521 | Wakefield Trinity |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2010 | 15 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2020 | May 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote Chris71="Chris71"In the Hull V Wakefield game Brough knew exactly what he was doing and deliberately stood over Minichello (to trap him) as he was in the process of rolling away from the tackled player, who then stood up and played the ball and Brough then let it hit Minichello and waved his arms for the penalty and was rewarded for his gamesmanship which is pretty much cheating for a penalty.
Another poor decision in the same game was Taylor being penalised for having a Wakefield player who he had tackled laid on top of him writhing around to gain a penalty when all he had to do was stand up as Taylor was clearly no holding him down but was unable to clear the area as the Wakefield player was laid on top making no attempt to get up. Similarly Jacob Miller running directly at a static Hull defender and throwing himself dramatically to the floor to yet again gain a penalty by conning the ref.'"
My mistake - it seems that only Wakefield are guilty of this offence - and only when they beat Hull...
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Captain | 783 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2019 | 6 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2019 | May 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote bren2k="bren2k"My mistake - it seems that only Wakefield are guilty of this offence - and only when they beat Hull...'"
are you seriously saying Wakey didn't cheat?
The better team won, 2 points, they wont be extending the trop... hang on,Wakey haven't won anything in 30 years.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 15521 | Wakefield Trinity |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2010 | 15 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2020 | May 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote Me - a couple of posts ago="Me - a couple of posts ago"of the matches I saw at the weekend, I'd say that more than half the penalties awarded for that offence were unnecessary and involved some form of cheating by the attacking player; it's not a good look for the game.'"
Quote Me - a couple of posts ago="MGarbutt1986"are you seriously saying Wakey didn't cheat?'"
Clearly not.
|
|
|
 |
|