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| Quote Fantastic Mr Cat="Fantastic Mr Cat"we have that in superleague, see greg bird not signing for bradford, but signing for catalans, same competition, different countries, different visa conditions.'"
Yes but Greg Bird would be allowed to play a game at Bradford, but probably not allowed to play at Toronto.
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| Quote Judder Man="Judder Man"Well no, its a Toronto problem, its creating a discriminated sport no other club in the competition have visa conditions.'"
Canada has a better system of vetting thugs. Clubs should not employ such criminals. Koukash virtually employed every rogue player he could find....Hock, Chase, Long.....
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| Quote Judder Man="Judder Man"Well no, its a Toronto problem, its creating a discriminated sport no other club in the competition have visa conditions.'"
Ultimately, IF RL continues down the N.American route, it will become more difficult for certain players to gain contracts.
I dont think you can call it discrimination.
We already have rules over here for certain individuals being prevented form working with kids etc and nobody has much of an issue with this.
All clubs need to prepare for this stuff and be happy to either do without certain players for certain games or, not to employ them.
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| Quote Alan="Alan"Along with every other club in SL, I would wager, for next season! Of course, then there would presumably be issues with 'equal opportunities' in this country, if clubs were to discriminate against players with criminal records?
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Really? Do you think a team won’t sign somebody because they might not be available for ONE single league game a season?
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| Quote Judder Man="Judder Man"Well no, its a Toronto problem, its creating a discriminated sport no other club in the competition have visa conditions.'"
So what’s your solution? Let’s get rid of Toronto I guess unless the situation changes? Wouldn’t that be discriminating against them.
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| Quote ThePrinter="ThePrinter"So what’s your solution? Let’s get rid of Toronto I guess unless the situation changes? Wouldn’t that be discriminating against them.'"
Thats Toronto's problem to find a solution we want a competition with parity, Barrow last season couldn't take a full team to Toronto last year and got beat by 70 points, thats a farce.
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"Ultimately, IF RL continues down the N.American route, it will become more difficult for certain players to gain contracts.
I dont think you can call it discrimination.
We already have rules over here for certain individuals being prevented form working with kids etc and nobody has much of an issue with this.
All clubs need to prepare for this stuff and be happy to either do without certain players for certain games or, not to employ them.'"
If this is the future then we have less participation in our sport, we can't cherry pick certain individuals and avoid others based on there inability to play a game on another continent.
I would say if Hull K R can't play there 3 players at Toronto then the game should be null and void until the RFL change the operational rules.
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| If teams end up relegated or in the MPG because they lost away at Toronto with a weakened team it doesn't reflect well on a "fair" competition. What would be the outcry if Toronto won SL/League Leaders Shield because they had a great home record against consistently weakened teams. It isn't a fair concept.
People can quote Greg Bird etc, but whilst he is with Catalans he can play away from home in the UK.
Agreed it is down to the Canadian immigration system, but surely a Canadian team should be in a Canadian/North America competition, not a European one?
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| Quote Judder Man="Judder Man"If this is the future then we have less participation in our sport, we can't cherry pick certain individuals and avoid others based on there inability to play a game on another continent.
I would say if Hull K R can't play there 3 players at Toronto then the game should be null and void until the RFL change the operational rules.'"
So it’s not right to discriminate against a couple of individuals who made a choice that got them in trouble but it’s fine to discriminate against a whole club, it’s players, coaches, management, staff, fans because of visa rules they have no say in.
Quite hypocritical.
All the people involved in one club get punished because some guys act like idiots and get in trouble with the law.
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| Quote RLRealist="RLRealist"Canada has a better system of vetting thugs. Clubs should not employ such criminals. Koukash virtually employed every rogue player he could find....Hock, Chase, Long.....'"
Its amazing how many thugs from Australia end up playing over her, especially when there immigration is much more strict than ours, i have a cousin over there went over when he was 4 years old, had several run ins with the law when he was in teens early 20's, he has been denied Australian citizen ship, he has never been out of Australia as he has no passport and can only get a British one, but he thinks if he leaves the county he wont be allowed back, despite living over there for over 50 years. But that's the tolerant open land of Australia for you.
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| The visa rules aren't set by Toronto or the RFL. It's not their problem.
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| It is what it is. I hope all our players can get into Canada, but we've put up with things worse than this before.
Part of the issue is that the heightened 'excitement' (i.e. tension) around the middle 8s, means that everything is magnified. Suspensions and injuries - your own and your rivals, marginal refereeing decisions and so on. For a fourth year in a row, our whole season is crammed into about two months. It's intense and intensely unpleasant.
In contrast, as nice as it was to break our losing streak in the derby, it did just feel like a decent end to a looooooooong pre-season.
I've nothing against this system, in principle - but goodness, as a Hull KR fan I'm sick of the sight of it.
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