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| Quote CM Punk="CM Punk"Tony Clubb played Centre for England when he was with London!'"
Played quite a bit on the wing for the Broncos, although he was a centre covering wing rather than a true winger. I always felt he could have matured into a top notch wide running second row or a physical loose forward, but I think it kind of spoiled his development a bit by being mucked around before being used as a bash it up prop. Another London youngster whose potential probably wasn't fully realised due to erratic coaching.
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| Always thought HB. HBs tend to be the smaller player so physically are normally behind. Then they have the hardest job, of directing the team around. They can't just concentrate on their own game like a Prop, back-rower, centre can. They have to try make things happen for the rest of the team. Sadly most coaches daren't put a little HB in. They always go with a back-rower. Even if they do eventually breakthrough, they mostly end up being turned into a FB. I know Shaun Wane has his critics, but i personally think if George Williams came through any other coach, he would be playing in the championship now as no other coach would have allowed him to make the mistakes he did early in his career. Wane remained patient and knew long term, Williams would come good. He just needed game time and time,
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| Quote Grimmy="Grimmy"Prop? Despite Wigan's excellent academy system, we have failed to produce a top prop in at least the 16 years I have been watching. I think the reason is that they are let go before they have time to develop.'"
Props definitely the position that it takes the longest to mature in IMO. I think a lot of that is physical but there's also a real mental side to it as well. These big kids go from dominating u19's opposition to being expected to try and do the same against full grown, experienced men who are aggressive.
The one thing I would say about Wigan lack of success in developing a top prop in a large number of years (which is true) is that Ryan Sutton is well on his way to breaking that run. He's 21 years of age and he's having a cracking season IMO. He isn't going to be a James Graham or Sam Burgess but he has the potential to play international rugby on a regular basis.
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| Quote bren2k="bren2k"Sadly, that's very definitely the case in jr rugby, which could be where the problem starts; junior teams are often coached by people who are driven to win every week, and in my experience there is often pressure even from parents to field the best players - all of which makes the development of young players who may not have the immediately obvious attributes (i.e - they're big) very difficult. Can't help wondering how many later developing young players are turned off the sport as a jr, because they don't get game time and as a result, never find out if they're actually any good.'"
We'd be better off moving to a system like they use in New Zealand for RU where junior teams are weight based not age.
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| Quote jakeyg95="jakeyg95"We'd be better off moving to a system like they use in New Zealand for RU where junior teams are weight based not age.'"
Rob Burrows hopes to turn out for the U16s next season  Sorry I could not resist. 
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| It is not unusual to have a backline made up completely of former stand offs as the lad who stood out as a ball player from an early age gets moved around.
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| Quote Levrier="Levrier"Rob Burrows hopes to turn out for the U16s next season
Sorry I could not resist.
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Maguire too.
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| Quote NickyKiss="NickyKiss"Props definitely the position that it takes the longest to mature in IMO. I think a lot of that is physical but there's also a real mental side to it as well. These big kids go from dominating u19's opposition to being expected to try and do the same against full grown, experienced men who are aggressive.
The one thing I would say about Wigan lack of success in developing a top prop in a large number of years (which is true) is that Ryan Sutton is well on his way to breaking that run. He's 21 years of age and he's having a cracking season IMO. He isn't going to be a James Graham or Sam Burgess but he has the potential to play international rugby on a regular basis.'"
Definitely agree with regards to the mental side of being a prop. I can think of talented players in every position except prop and hooker stepping up from our academy and instantly performing at SL level. As you say, they must have to learn that toughness, and being physically conditioned to take on bigger bodies every week for a season seems to take a long time.
I hope you are right about Sutton. I'm also a big fan, but I can remember thinking the same about Prescott, O'Carroll and Mossop to name a few.
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| Quote jakeyg95="jakeyg95"We'd be better off moving to a system like they use in New Zealand for RU where junior teams are weight based not age.'"
I understand your point in that it would encourage the bigger players to learn skills, and the players who physically develop late not to give up, but would we really be preparing them for the ultimate goal of playing open age rugby if we worked that way?
What happens to the small lad when he goes from tackling players his own size to much bigger players at open age? Also, what happens to the lads in the heavy weight classes (presumably all playing prop under the current system), when they suddenly find that the pace is 100 times faster at open age? Does playing a 11 stone lad at prop or a 17 stone lad on the wing really help give them the skills they will need if they want to play professionally?
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| Does difference in size ever become a duty of care issue at junior level?
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