I know we change too much but I'd like to see four leagues of 10. Everyone plays each other twice, then the following split:

- SL super 8 as it is now
- Bottom 2 of SL and Top 2 of Championship 'middle 4' playing each other home and away. No need for the MPG
- Bottom 8 Championship shield as it is now

Same structure as above for League 1 and League 2.

4 less games reduces burnout/injuries (seems to be a massive issue at the mo) and allows for mid-season internationals.

But then that's 4 games less in terms of income too. And THAT, imo, is where the main issue with the game in this country lays. There's no money in RL at any real level and this is because the RFL are too willing to give away the TV rights to the whole UK game for peanuts and have nothing in place to ensure that it isn't just SL games that get shown. If the TV deal included a requirement for games from below SL to be shown on a regular basis, it would help those clubs outside the top table as they'd get exposure as well as be able to get a better deal from sponsors because of that exposure. And thus more money comes into the game. More money means that clubs can be in a stronger position and so can actually push for the opportunity of promotion from their current league because at the moment, there's plenty of clubs for whom promotion would actually be a bad thing as their current revenue streams would not be able to support the additional expenditure required

Agreed the SL clubs get 4 games less money, but the remaining Championship clubs benefit from two more teams with big followings bringing crowds. We also get a more marketable Championship as half of it would be a standard previously only seen in SL (e.g Widnes, Leigh, Hull KR, London and Toronto), maybe enough to tempt someone to pay for TV rights for that division and bring more cash in that way.

I honestly don't know why the game is locked in to thinking that its most pressing issues could be solved, even in part, by cobbling together another, lesser competition to sell out of the sum of SL's lesser parts.

there as simply too many pro clubs and not enough pro quality players and money available to run this many prop clubs.

super l;league 14 clubs franchises. division one 10-12 clubs (franchise). division two north and south, more development based clubs dual reg from super league clubs (Feeder clubs) any clubs not producing the goods on and off the field regardless of history or location, your out or drop down a division full stop. each super league club should be averaging 8k absolute minimum and if your not your franchise is under threat. league one 2k min. in the NFL they simply move your franchise or bring in a new club if there is not the support there.
time for RL to be harsh the last 20 years of swapping and changing formats and pussy footing around unsustainable clubs as to go.

Some people genuinely think that we could have two completely full time leagues of 10 teams with Sky showing both if we called them Super League and Super League II. That definitely wouldn't just be giving the Championship a new name.

So does this mean you are happy with the composition of league 1 and how it works.
There are some "serious" RL clubs mixed with glorified "university" teams.
Hemel are a "Northern" team masquerading something else and then we've had Toronto demolishing all before them.
Dont confuse my opinion with being negative and allow the fools that cam up with the idea to get off the hook.

In SL we have clubs without academies, Cas demolishing all before them, Widnes masquerading as a SL club and a club which will very soon be without a stadium to play at. All tiers of our comp are far from perfect.

Toronto will be in the Championship next year, taking advantage of the 2 up 2 down that exists between the two. Hemel have made some really poor decisions regarding their base, but prior to that were doing alright. The All Golds have exposed RL to the South West and provide some sort of pathway to the pro ranks (however small) from that region. Toulouse used it as a springboard last season.

You referred to it as a "Graveyard". If that's not negative, then what is? It could also be described as a "Birthplace", a place where ambitious new clubs can find their feet and grow, or a place where clubs have fallen on hard times have an environment to rebuild.

Clubs are also not "cast into the wilderness" as you put it. It's 2 up, 2 down. The "wilderness" would surely be seeing clubs fall from the pro ranks altogether?

You also by referring to some of the clubs as "serious", insinuating others aren't serious, again another negative remark towards the clubs.

All in all pretty negative I'd say.

Its crazy, its like they truly believe that because we are struggling to create the good competition tv companies want, 2 crappy ones will do instead.

Its a servant serving too many masters. Toulouse didnt get anything out of pummelling teams for a few months, neither have Toronto, barring another meltdown Bradford will probably walk it next year too. Its barely even a competition.

Its not serving the expansion clubs because they can't use it to create a player pool. They just wouldnt compete. It doesnt serve the heartland clubs because half their games arent contests and so far they are being left behind by a club operating on a completely different level.

There should be an incubator for expansion clubs, but that has to be its focus and priority. With rules and a structure which promote, benefit, nurture and reward clubs for doing the things that type of club needs to do to be sustainable and grow.

That would put an end to every single league 1 club apart from Toronto (who won't be a league 1 club anyway come 2018). I agree, something has to be done, and certain expansion clubs just don't seem to be working in terms of attendances (likewise some established heartland clubs), but I'm not sure chucking out 15 teams is the right answer.


Regular Season Average Attendances:

Toronto 6639

Newcastle 979

York 883

Barrow 785

Keighley 742

Whitehaven 664

Workington 654

Doncaster 577

London 471

Hunslet 421

Coventry 401

North Wales 377

South Wales 229

Gloucester 205

Oxford 156*

Hemel 117



(*Oxford didn't give the attendance for the home match vs Newcastle, so had to take an average from their other home matches).

Yes, there are 2 promotion spots.
Although with Toronto coming in this season, spending SL type cash on their squad, this effectively is cut to one place this season.
The point I was trying to make was that, there are too many clubs in that league that are at opposite ends of the RL spectrum.
Having clubs like Barrow, Keighley etc, playing against glorified University teams doesn't sit well with me, it's damaging them and threatening their existence but, if you like it, great, knock yourself out.
Personally, I think it needs addressing and we should find a better way of preparing new clubs for semi pro competition.
And using the phrase "cast into the wilderness" I would say is pretty fair.
Have you seen the attendance figures ?

Also, York's new stadium should have happened by now and maybe they would not have been forced to the brink. - is this fact or being negative ?