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| Quote Gotcha="Gotcha"Any fullback who craps his pants with high kicks, shouldn't be considered in anything regarding "best of".
Unless by "best of" you mean defensively useless, then Tomkins would rank highly. He should be in the halfs and only there.'"
If that's the extent of your understanding then I'll be happy to ignore anything you've got to add for the foreseeable future.
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"One of the major skills required of a FB is the ability to catch a high ball - if you can't do that on a consistent basis you are playing the wrong position.
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Billy Slater anyone?
Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise" Would you have a winger who had no basic speed?
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Er . . Ryan Hall?
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| Quote The Avenger="The Avenger"Billy Slater anyone?
Er . . Ryan Hall?'"
Billy Slater is generally excellent under the high kick, and wouldn't exactaly call Hall slow either.
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| Quote Charlie Sheen="Charlie Sheen"Billy Slater is generally excellent under the high kick, and wouldn't exactaly call Hall slow either.'"
Slaters got a long rap sheet where the high ball is concerned, amongst his other high profile brain farts. Australia should have dropped him 10 years ago using your logic.
Hall, for a winger, is not fast anymore. He's bulked up too much and doesn't have the speed at International level anymore 'yet' he's still one of the best finishers in the game.
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| Quote The Avenger="The Avenger"If that's the extent of your understanding then I'll be happy to ignore anything you've got to add for the foreseeable future.'"
What a poor response. To be honest, if that is all you are capable of coming up with to disagree, then you can keep it on ignore, as your view would mean nothing anyway.
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| Quote The Avenger="The Avenger"Billy Slater anyone?
Er . . Ryan Hall?'"
Ryan Hall is plenty fast enough and I would bet he is in the fastest 3/4 over 60 metres in the whole squad
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| Quote Gotcha="Gotcha"What a poor response. To be honest, if that is all you are capable of coming up with to disagree, then you can keep it on ignore, as your view would mean nothing anyway.'"
I'll add a lack of originality to the list of your deficiencies!
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"Ryan Hall is plenty fast enough and I would bet he is in the fastest 3/4 over 60 metres in the whole squad'"
It's your money to lose!
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"Ryan Hall is plenty fast enough and I would bet he is in the fastest 3/4 over 60 metres in the whole squad'"
I don't think he's as slow as has been made out but I'd be very surprised if he can beat Charnley and J.Burgess for pace, touch and go with S.Tomkins, Hardaker and Watkins too I'd have thought
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| Joel Monaghan is pretty slow for a winger, but he scores a fair number of tries
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| Avenger please. Sam Tomkins does not offer a kick return! Not so much in the S/L and practically not at all in the NRL.
Those aspects are, along with his poor reading of high kicks, possibly the worst aspects of his F/Back playing ability.
Sam's worth and this is indisputable, is his brilliant slotting into the threequarters and the majesty of his accurate and almost perfect passes.
At that he is practically peerless.
Brave to a fault, but as an outstanding F/Back he is way beyond all, certainly most,of those within the NRL mentioned by the others making their comparisons on here.
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| Quote Gotcha="Gotcha"
Unless by "best of" you mean defensively useless, then Tomkins would rank highly.'"
He made 1.3 errors per NRL game last year and missed 1.5 tackles. Given we finished outside the 8, that's not bad, especially when compared to the high flying roosters Minichiello who comes in at 1.6 and 1.3 in the same area.
He's not my favourite player by any means, he is very suspect under the high bomb and he's a luxury I don't think we needed at the NZ Warriors, but he's not the worst.
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